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RFC: Reds and Towns
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Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
indeed, so far the opposing arguement is that blues will simply wait-n-gank in buc's den. why not add "red guards"? in buc's (and maybe Ocollo) a red shouts guards and pirates (or some other villan, i just like pirates =p ) come about of no where and kill the offending blue. would be funny to see =p
it still doesn't fix the exp/recall crap though >_<
that has GOT to go!
dalgor_;1764511 said:
indeed, so far the opposing arguement is that blues will simply wait-n-gank in buc's den. why not add "red guards"? in buc's (and maybe Ocollo) a red shouts guards and pirates (or some other villan, i just like pirates =p ) come about of no where and kill the offending blue. would be funny to see =p
it still doesn't fix the exp/recall crap though >_<
that has GOT to go!
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
When I first started on Hybrid (not too long ago) I thought it was kinda cool that reds could go into towns. Now I'm constantly killed by groups of reds who Explode and run. This is not while macroing, this is while walking around town. I'm all for open PvP. That's why I quit WoW and came back to UO, but this allowing reds in town just causes grief killings. I love the rush that comes with going out of town and fighting or running from murderers, even if I die. I get back up and try again. But when reds just waltz up and Vas Ort Flam x4 and hop in a gate, it's not so fun. This may sound childish, but I think I'm done with Hybrid for awhile.
When I first started on Hybrid (not too long ago) I thought it was kinda cool that reds could go into towns. Now I'm constantly killed by groups of reds who Explode and run. This is not while macroing, this is while walking around town. I'm all for open PvP. That's why I quit WoW and came back to UO, but this allowing reds in town just causes grief killings. I love the rush that comes with going out of town and fighting or running from murderers, even if I die. I get back up and try again. But when reds just waltz up and Vas Ort Flam x4 and hop in a gate, it's not so fun. This may sound childish, but I think I'm done with Hybrid for awhile.
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
your assuming that he survived the drop, that he had magic resistance high enough, or that he even had magic to heal himself.
as it stands, i believe he said he came back, as in started anew. meaning he was not in a good position to defend from 4 GM mages using flame strike.
Now, with that established, we can assuming he was macroing in town simply because he had no money for a home.
and since the reds can kill him in town (presumibly the "safe zone") he can't gain the strength needed to defend himself, or even kill mobs to gain fiscal means.
with no fiscal means, he can't gain reagents, with no reagents he can't cast magic, since he can't cast magic, he can't gain skill in magic.
AND, since he can't gain in magic, he can't even cast greater heal which i believe your arguement centers around.
so tell me, how does he survive that death squad again?
SynTax of Old;1767137 said:
your assuming that he survived the drop, that he had magic resistance high enough, or that he even had magic to heal himself.
as it stands, i believe he said he came back, as in started anew. meaning he was not in a good position to defend from 4 GM mages using flame strike.
Now, with that established, we can assuming he was macroing in town simply because he had no money for a home.
and since the reds can kill him in town (presumibly the "safe zone") he can't gain the strength needed to defend himself, or even kill mobs to gain fiscal means.
with no fiscal means, he can't gain reagents, with no reagents he can't cast magic, since he can't cast magic, he can't gain skill in magic.
AND, since he can't gain in magic, he can't even cast greater heal which i believe your arguement centers around.
so tell me, how does he survive that death squad again?
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
Actually, the reason I couldn't cast Greater Heal on myself is because I'm playing a template that does not use magery. (gasp!) Bandages don't work fast enough to stop 4 explosions at once. I was not macroing when this happened. I was inside the bank trying to get out, but they gated into the doorway so I could not escape. It is insane to suggest that I play a different template to work with this exploit. It should be fixed. I can't see any other way to do that than not letting reds into town. The alternative would be changing the way Explosion works, and that would be a greater blow to PvP than removing reds from town. If the powers that be know of another way, that would work for me. Also, I said I'm done with Hybrid for awhile, not quitting. I'm trying out Demise and Divinity.
Actually, the reason I couldn't cast Greater Heal on myself is because I'm playing a template that does not use magery. (gasp!) Bandages don't work fast enough to stop 4 explosions at once. I was not macroing when this happened. I was inside the bank trying to get out, but they gated into the doorway so I could not escape. It is insane to suggest that I play a different template to work with this exploit. It should be fixed. I can't see any other way to do that than not letting reds into town. The alternative would be changing the way Explosion works, and that would be a greater blow to PvP than removing reds from town. If the powers that be know of another way, that would work for me. Also, I said I'm done with Hybrid for awhile, not quitting. I'm trying out Demise and Divinity.
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they should be allowed in guarded zones, but how about, i don't know if you could script it to where, as soon as someone targets you with an explode they are flagged as attacking you..
That would solve that problem, because if you saw them load up you just spam your guards macro, maybe you'd still die from the exp dropping on you, but at least them fools died too. I'll have to agree that little tactic is pretty ghey, Daenerys.
they should be allowed in guarded zones, but how about, i don't know if you could script it to where, as soon as someone targets you with an explode they are flagged as attacking you..
That would solve that problem, because if you saw them load up you just spam your guards macro, maybe you'd still die from the exp dropping on you, but at least them fools died too. I'll have to agree that little tactic is pretty ghey, Daenerys.
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
people already suicide exp bomb people with a single scroll or a handful or reds. This isn't different at all! The whole reason they only take a single scroll or a few regs is because they know they are DEAD ANYWAYS. straight up "guards" on sight is really the only stopper to this problem.
Sinist3r;1770465 said:
people already suicide exp bomb people with a single scroll or a handful or reds. This isn't different at all! The whole reason they only take a single scroll or a few regs is because they know they are DEAD ANYWAYS. straight up "guards" on sight is really the only stopper to this problem.
dinanm3atl
Wanderer
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
Well my cousin got killed by the explosion 'fun tactic' while the game logged off.
It really is lame.
Why not reds get one town. Free for all with a bank. Having to worry about logging off at the front of Vesper bank is kind of a stretch.
Well my cousin got killed by the explosion 'fun tactic' while the game logged off.
It really is lame.
Why not reds get one town. Free for all with a bank. Having to worry about logging off at the front of Vesper bank is kind of a stretch.
Azural Kane
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Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
If your cousin didn't go to an inn to logoff and just decided to abandon his character at the bank, it's nobody's fault but his own...
dinanm3atl;1776645 said:
If your cousin didn't go to an inn to logoff and just decided to abandon his character at the bank, it's nobody's fault but his own...
MakeDemTap
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Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
Reds shouldnt be allowed in towns even with a grace period. Ive only just started this shard and Ive noticed the reds are babied too much and just makes for baby reds. Not all of you are babies so dont get your panties in a wad. Without reds having negatives for being red i.e. stat loss, instant guard whack, etc. there is no reason not to go red. Any newbie with enough magery to do poison can kill macroers in town. Which i see alot. If youre new and have no money for a house town is the only place to macro. Shouldnt have to worry bout naked reds ganking your precious resources. When i played on lake back in the day there was a certain prestige and notariety to bein a pk. they werent rez killing dicks like the ones on this server. They killed mules or newbies they only took what they could sell or use and left other stuff, they almost always would rez you and gate somewhere. Rez killing and trap setting pks are just the lowest form of jollies. Idiotic ganglike mentalities that give real life weaklings their kicks and sense of power. enjoy it ladies
Reds shouldnt be allowed in towns even with a grace period. Ive only just started this shard and Ive noticed the reds are babied too much and just makes for baby reds. Not all of you are babies so dont get your panties in a wad. Without reds having negatives for being red i.e. stat loss, instant guard whack, etc. there is no reason not to go red. Any newbie with enough magery to do poison can kill macroers in town. Which i see alot. If youre new and have no money for a house town is the only place to macro. Shouldnt have to worry bout naked reds ganking your precious resources. When i played on lake back in the day there was a certain prestige and notariety to bein a pk. they werent rez killing dicks like the ones on this server. They killed mules or newbies they only took what they could sell or use and left other stuff, they almost always would rez you and gate somewhere. Rez killing and trap setting pks are just the lowest form of jollies. Idiotic ganglike mentalities that give real life weaklings their kicks and sense of power. enjoy it ladies
Chamilli0nAir3
Wanderer
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
THAT WOULD MAKE HYBIRD SOOOO CRAPPPY..... Dont do that, If people die to reds in town thats there fault go be a dumb trammie and go afk, When u know you could be killed.
THAT WOULD MAKE HYBIRD SOOOO CRAPPPY..... Dont do that, If people die to reds in town thats there fault go be a dumb trammie and go afk, When u know you could be killed.
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
what about the people NOT afk who die to these squads? what about miners and such that can't mine ore because some red dances just in and out of guard range with nukes and spells?
and what about the explosion/recallers or the flame strike suicide teams who kill people in town over and over due to horrible game mechanics, mechanics we CAN fix btw.
what about those guys?
Chamilli0nAir3;1781588 said:
what about the people NOT afk who die to these squads? what about miners and such that can't mine ore because some red dances just in and out of guard range with nukes and spells?
and what about the explosion/recallers or the flame strike suicide teams who kill people in town over and over due to horrible game mechanics, mechanics we CAN fix btw.
what about those guys?
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Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
How about a big tear for all the whiners, :e cry
The game is balanced the way it is. If you macro in town, do so that you pull 1 reagent for each spell out at a time. Then they wont get anything if you happen to die.
If a red attacks you as it is, you can guardwhack them. Fair enough.. Plus when a red rolls in to town usually its the blues ganging up on him to attack...
There is a reason why we are not OSI. We segregated from that.. Much like Americans became americans by segregating from England.. We owe it to our forefathers, to not do the same game-ruining thing as that OSI shard... We do not want another trammel!
It would be osi, totally! And as for the poor innocent folks logging out at a bank, how stupid of you.. I log at inn or house each time, unless i dont care if i die.. Do yourselves a favor and bank the vanq too, and Dont ban reds from towns.. You will be focusing the theives on the blues more, if you dont have reds for them to steal from!
Really, its quitting time as soon as reds cant come into town! And generally my red never does! (cept d'gate) lol. And we will find other ways to kill that player off who has teh item in his sack we want... dont think it will fix the 'problem' of 'too many puppies'
How about a big tear for all the whiners, :e cry
The game is balanced the way it is. If you macro in town, do so that you pull 1 reagent for each spell out at a time. Then they wont get anything if you happen to die.
If a red attacks you as it is, you can guardwhack them. Fair enough.. Plus when a red rolls in to town usually its the blues ganging up on him to attack...
There is a reason why we are not OSI. We segregated from that.. Much like Americans became americans by segregating from England.. We owe it to our forefathers, to not do the same game-ruining thing as that OSI shard... We do not want another trammel!
It would be osi, totally! And as for the poor innocent folks logging out at a bank, how stupid of you.. I log at inn or house each time, unless i dont care if i die.. Do yourselves a favor and bank the vanq too, and Dont ban reds from towns.. You will be focusing the theives on the blues more, if you dont have reds for them to steal from!
Really, its quitting time as soon as reds cant come into town! And generally my red never does! (cept d'gate) lol. And we will find other ways to kill that player off who has teh item in his sack we want... dont think it will fix the 'problem' of 'too many puppies'
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Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
How about if you just so happen to be passing by and a group of reds exp gate kills you just so they can lead your beetle out of town from inside of moonglow bank?
no loot was taken and the beetle was just led away to boat/grief without that char having ever done anything to be at fault for this
your idea of "fun" hurts the shard, helps no one get anything at all, and likely makes many people stop playing
if you want loot in towns make a theif like the rest of us do rather then exploit the game mechanics
and no, you can't just guard-whack them there is another exploit involving explosion that prevents you from whacking them, for this reason I support the anti-red in guard zones change and actually think there should only be a 3 or 4 sec grace period, so they can't exp then run away
its not pvp... its not looting... its just lame senseless griefing
Global pilcher;1785887 said:
How about if you just so happen to be passing by and a group of reds exp gate kills you just so they can lead your beetle out of town from inside of moonglow bank?
no loot was taken and the beetle was just led away to boat/grief without that char having ever done anything to be at fault for this
your idea of "fun" hurts the shard, helps no one get anything at all, and likely makes many people stop playing
if you want loot in towns make a theif like the rest of us do rather then exploit the game mechanics
and no, you can't just guard-whack them there is another exploit involving explosion that prevents you from whacking them, for this reason I support the anti-red in guard zones change and actually think there should only be a 3 or 4 sec grace period, so they can't exp then run away
its not pvp... its not looting... its just lame senseless griefing
MakeDemTap
Wanderer
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
allow reds to be in town but change the mechanics so reds or blues cant attack an innocent in town. give them a message sayin they cant attack an innocent everytime they try and this will all stop and reds can still come in town and us newbs will stop cryin
allow reds to be in town but change the mechanics so reds or blues cant attack an innocent in town. give them a message sayin they cant attack an innocent everytime they try and this will all stop and reds can still come in town and us newbs will stop cryin
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
Let them bank in Bucs Den and Ocollo. That way the reds will have to stop fighting each other and actually do what they made themselves to do, to PK the blues. In my old days, reds didn't kill other reds (unless faction of course). And you'd be surprised how many idiot blues will go to the Bucs Den gate.
Let them bank in Bucs Den and Ocollo. That way the reds will have to stop fighting each other and actually do what they made themselves to do, to PK the blues. In my old days, reds didn't kill other reds (unless faction of course). And you'd be surprised how many idiot blues will go to the Bucs Den gate.
Re: RFC: Reds and Towns
This will once again, further see the death of PKing in this shard...
Every update seems to make something worse, instead of fixing something that isnt broken.
Reds just cant walk in and kill people without getting gwacked, so blues are safe....
DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT ANIT BROKEN
This will once again, further see the death of PKing in this shard...
Every update seems to make something worse, instead of fixing something that isnt broken.
Reds just cant walk in and kill people without getting gwacked, so blues are safe....
DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT ANIT BROKEN
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