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zeno's paradox

zeno's paradox

The Tortoise challenged Achilles to a race, claiming that he would win as long as Achilles gave him a small head start. Achilles laughed at this, for of course he was a mighty warrior and swift of foot, whereas the Tortoise was heavy and slow.
“How big a head start do you need?” he asked the Tortoise with a smile.
“Ten meters,” the latter replied.
Achilles laughed louder than ever. “You will surely lose, my friend, in that case,” he told the Tortoise, “but let us race, if you wish it.”
“On the contrary,” said the Tortoise, “I will win, and I can prove it to you by a simple argument.”
“Go on then,” Achilles replied, with less confidence than he felt before. He knew he was the superior athlete, but he also knew the Tortoise had the sharper wits, and he had lost many a bewildering argument with him before this.
“Suppose,” began the Tortoise, “that you give me a 10-meter head start. Would you say that you could cover that 10 meters between us very quickly?”
“Very quickly,” Achilles affirmed.
“And in that time, how far should I have gone, do you think?”
“Perhaps a meter – no more,” said Achilles after a moment's thought.
“Very well,” replied the Tortoise, “so now there is a meter between us. And you would catch up that distance very quickly?”
“Very quickly indeed!”
“And yet, in that time I shall have gone a little way farther, so that now you must catch that distance up, yes?”

“Ye-es,” said Achilles slowly.
“And while you are doing so, I shall have gone a little way farther, so that you must then catch up the new distance,” the Tortoise continued smoothly.
Achilles said nothing.
“And so you see, in each moment you must be catching up the distance between us, and yet I – at the same time – will be adding a new distance, however small, for you to catch up again.”
“Indeed, it must be so,” said Achilles wearily.
“And so you can never catch up,” the Tortoise concluded sympathetically.
“You are right, as always,” said Achilles sadly – and conceded the race.
 

Flipper

Knight
Re: zeno's paradox

Underwater Ape said:

achilles travels at 10 meters per minute
tortoise travels at 1 meter per minute

tortoise gets 10 meter start

at one minute in, the tortoise is at 11 meters from starting point
at one minute in, achilles is at 10 meters from starting point

at two minutes in, the tortoise is 12 meters from starting point
at two minutes in, achilles is at 20 meters from starting point

achilles is leading the race.

the tortoise would be right if achilles maintained a speed directly proportionate to the distance from the tortoise at all times

he doesn't, unless he slowed down
 
Re: zeno's paradox

Flipper said:
achilles travels at 10 meters per minute
tortoise travels at 1 meter per minute

tortoise gets 10 meter start

at one minute in, the tortoise is at 11 meters from starting point
at one minute in, achilles is at 10 meters from starting point

at two minutes in, the tortoise is 12 meters from starting point
at two minutes in, achilles is at 20 meters from starting point

achilles is leading the race.

the tortoise would be right if achilles maintained a speed directly proportionate to the distance from the tortoise at all times

he doesn't, unless he slowed down

:)
 

r33n

Knight
Re: zeno's paradox

He knows that the only advantage he has over achilles is his wits. He just made achilles think that he could not win, because achilles is not smart. He made it seem like achilles couldn't surpass the difference in distance, when in fact, he easily could have.
 

r33n

Knight
Re: zeno's paradox

oh, and ape. keep up with the interesting posts.. I get tired of hearing the same, illogical posts day after day.. :D
 
Re: zeno's paradox

rlangermann said:
He knows that the only advantage he has over achilles is his wits. He just made achilles think that he could not win, because achilles is not smart. He made it seem like achilles couldn't surpass the difference in distance, when in fact, he easily could have.

wow wat a smarty pants you are. +4 (when it lets me)
 

nexen

Wanderer
Re: zeno's paradox

so the result of this story is that achillies is a dumbass for thinking a race simply involves catching up and that you cannot overtake anyone.

Im confused about this, is it just saying that the tortoise is clever and outwitted him?
 
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