An Old Lady
Wanderer
Re: Balance Updates
lightning is gonna be beastly
lightning is gonna be beastly
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GalvanizE-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Balance Updates
I know exactly what all that means.
I know exactly what all that means.
Re: Balance Updates
Wasn't the original change meant to lower spell damage? This proposed change increases the average damage of all circles except 6th and 7th. Not to mention that Resist is more difficult to raise than Magery and EvalInt, it should be more effective than 13% against a 7th circle spell at GM.
Personally, I think Resist should give you a chance to RESIST a spell, not just take less damage. Increasing your weapon skill and tactics increases your chance to not get hit by melee, resist should do the same for spells.
With your proposal, someone can run up, paralyze you, and if you have no pouches on you, or they're all used up, you're pretty much dead. They med for a sec, cast Exp (26 pts with your proposal) followed by FS (35 pts) and then Poison (12 pts per tick without GM Poisoning). That leaves you with 27 hit points and poisoned. Bandaging is out of the question, you'd be dead before the poison was cured, so you have to pop a cure pot or try to cast cure between poison ticks, while your opponent is casting an E-Bolt (26 pts) and Lightning (15 pts) with his remaining 31 Mana (not counting mana gained with passive med). Since the para would keep you unable to do anything until the Exp/FS combo hit, you would effectively lose 114pts of health (115.91 going with your averages) in 6.5 secs (Total casting time from FS hitting you until Lightning Bolt hits you).
Mages bitch about people chugging pots, but the numbers show why they do. Without Cure/Healing/Refresh (since you would have no stam after taking a dump like that) pots, non-mages wouldn't stand a chance.
With GM Wrestling and Protection (not to mention GM Inscription) a mage can go toe-to-toe with a melee and still get spells off while the melee sits there swinging and missing over and over.
So either leave it how it is right now or make it so Resist gives you a chance to actually resist a spell (take no damage and no effect from non-damaging offensive spells like Para, Curse, etc).
Of course, I expect mages to bitch and flame and say things like "l34rn to pvp n00b" so go right ahead...
Wasn't the original change meant to lower spell damage? This proposed change increases the average damage of all circles except 6th and 7th. Not to mention that Resist is more difficult to raise than Magery and EvalInt, it should be more effective than 13% against a 7th circle spell at GM.
Personally, I think Resist should give you a chance to RESIST a spell, not just take less damage. Increasing your weapon skill and tactics increases your chance to not get hit by melee, resist should do the same for spells.
With your proposal, someone can run up, paralyze you, and if you have no pouches on you, or they're all used up, you're pretty much dead. They med for a sec, cast Exp (26 pts with your proposal) followed by FS (35 pts) and then Poison (12 pts per tick without GM Poisoning). That leaves you with 27 hit points and poisoned. Bandaging is out of the question, you'd be dead before the poison was cured, so you have to pop a cure pot or try to cast cure between poison ticks, while your opponent is casting an E-Bolt (26 pts) and Lightning (15 pts) with his remaining 31 Mana (not counting mana gained with passive med). Since the para would keep you unable to do anything until the Exp/FS combo hit, you would effectively lose 114pts of health (115.91 going with your averages) in 6.5 secs (Total casting time from FS hitting you until Lightning Bolt hits you).
Mages bitch about people chugging pots, but the numbers show why they do. Without Cure/Healing/Refresh (since you would have no stam after taking a dump like that) pots, non-mages wouldn't stand a chance.
With GM Wrestling and Protection (not to mention GM Inscription) a mage can go toe-to-toe with a melee and still get spells off while the melee sits there swinging and missing over and over.
So either leave it how it is right now or make it so Resist gives you a chance to actually resist a spell (take no damage and no effect from non-damaging offensive spells like Para, Curse, etc).
Of course, I expect mages to bitch and flame and say things like "l34rn to pvp n00b" so go right ahead...
Re: Balance Updates
i totally agree with that. those darn mages just walk up give you the combo and life is almost over. but if a guy comes up swinging and he misses a couple times the bandaids have hit and i am healed again. it shure does not pay to go through all the trouble to gm resist and have it do so little. as it is now you just have to carry around a ton of potions. if you wanna make it better limit the potions and time there. make em work for it not give it to them from a macro drink. or just a combo spell and para. make the trapped boxes deal more dammage. make the resist work. limit the potions
i totally agree with that. those darn mages just walk up give you the combo and life is almost over. but if a guy comes up swinging and he misses a couple times the bandaids have hit and i am healed again. it shure does not pay to go through all the trouble to gm resist and have it do so little. as it is now you just have to carry around a ton of potions. if you wanna make it better limit the potions and time there. make em work for it not give it to them from a macro drink. or just a combo spell and para. make the trapped boxes deal more dammage. make the resist work. limit the potions
Re: Balance Updates
Because a swing from a sword doesn't consume 3 reagents and 20 stamina.
Make spells cost nothing and I would agree.
Asharru said:Wow, that's a deeply thought out responce heh
Why shouldn't Resist allow you to resist a spell completely? You can resist my sword (Wrestling), why can't I resist your spell (Resist)?
Because a swing from a sword doesn't consume 3 reagents and 20 stamina.
Make spells cost nothing and I would agree.
An Old Lady
Wanderer
Re: Balance Updates
A timer on cure potions would be amazing.
A timer on cure potions would be amazing.
Re: Balance Updates
I wouldn't mind seeing something like a 20 sec timer between Heal pots. This would stop chain chugging and make healing more valuable than pots (since it would have a lower timer). Also put one on the Refresh pots. When I go out, I try not to carry more than 3-5 of each of the three pots (Cure/Heal/Refresh since I rarely use Agil/Str pots) because I don't want to fall prey to chain chugging. As for trapped pouches and damage... they used to do more than 1 point of damage to you long ago, I think they should again. With them doing like 10 points or so, it would make you look at the situation before just popping a pouch to break para... Popping the pouch could be what gets you killed while not popping it could give you a chance to live... You never know
Stu|7id said:
I wouldn't mind seeing something like a 20 sec timer between Heal pots. This would stop chain chugging and make healing more valuable than pots (since it would have a lower timer). Also put one on the Refresh pots. When I go out, I try not to carry more than 3-5 of each of the three pots (Cure/Heal/Refresh since I rarely use Agil/Str pots) because I don't want to fall prey to chain chugging. As for trapped pouches and damage... they used to do more than 1 point of damage to you long ago, I think they should again. With them doing like 10 points or so, it would make you look at the situation before just popping a pouch to break para... Popping the pouch could be what gets you killed while not popping it could give you a chance to live... You never know
Re: Balance Updates
True, it doesn't. But I can't stop and use a skill to regain all my stam (and have it working passively too). Yes, there are Refresh pots, but as I said in my last post, those should have timers on them.
As for the cost of regs... It costs more to regear a melee char after a death than it does a mage. Our weapons and armor cost more than your regs. Granted, if we actually win the fight, our repair costs are less than your costs of restocking your regs when you win.
Stuck said:
True, it doesn't. But I can't stop and use a skill to regain all my stam (and have it working passively too). Yes, there are Refresh pots, but as I said in my last post, those should have timers on them.
As for the cost of regs... It costs more to regear a melee char after a death than it does a mage. Our weapons and armor cost more than your regs. Granted, if we actually win the fight, our repair costs are less than your costs of restocking your regs when you win.
Flipper
Knight
Re: Balance Updates
wtf?
shut up.
mytor said:I sure miss the game the way it was before. I just think it was better before the changes were made. I bet most players agree with me. These are the darkest days in hybrid history ( other than the recent attacks ).
Merry Christmas (humbug)
wtf?
shut up.