First off pardon my editing. I never was very good in english class.
Also this document is pretty long. So please read the whole thing before commenting.
Hello my name is Zenithia.
I am sure quite a few people have seen me running around. I have been here only a couple of months now.
This is my first time posting on the forums. So first let me explain a little about myself.
I have played UO for 10 years on OSI. I quit when I felt I shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee anymore and my grandfathered castle will always be there with my stuff regardless. So I roamed around the net looking at other games for awhile that were similar to UO like Wyrm online, etc... eventually gave up on all those and came here. UO will forever be my favorite game. Due to crafting, housing, and taming. No other game does it for me as good as UO does.
I am very disturbed by a recent situation I had with a gm yesterday. I was attending my two resource gatherers, one was lumberjacking the other mining. The rules state that you cant multi client for combat. Which I am not.
Now first off I fully believe in not allowing unattended macroing. It ruins the overall game in
many ways, which have thoroughly been discussed in the forums so i wont get into it here.
I have 2 monitors for my computer (15" and 32"tv)so its pretty easy for me to attend to two macroing characters at once using nothing more than what was given to me to play on this server "razor".
I do not use any other programs.
I stop my macros when I step away from the computer such as coffee breaks, bathroom breaks, anytime I leave the computer, even while writing this document my macro characters are sitting waiting for me to start them.
I log out when I go to bed or when I leave the house for extended periods of time. So I have a clean record up to this point. On osi and here. Only unattending I agree with is gating.
As I am going along doing my thing yesterday I see a person come walking up to my house. I see him say and I quote "gm o.o". I figured he was referring to my skill by looking at my paperdoll not even contemplating gm at this time. My macros were still running at this point and teleported away to my next destination before I had a chance to say anything. Let alone I am not a very social person and didn't want to stop my macro just to recall back and talk to someone that was walking by my house. I did not have time to see the guys name before teleporting away, I tried looking on the journal as I was continuing to lumberjack but it was gone.
So I have no idea if that was the gm or just a player. My educated guess is player cause he walked up to the house and did not just appear and walked into my public section of my house and also why would a gm say gm o.o.
Next time my macro teleported back to house I did not see him or anyone. So I just switched back over to my miner cause I would rather listen to the sound of the mining than the lumber jacking. Both screens still visible one on each monitor but only one plays sound at a time. It had to be this guy that reported me cause this all happened about 20 minutes before the gm showed up.
So 20 minutes later I notice on my smaller monitor that my lumberjack macro was in error and that i'm in jail. But my other one is still going so I stop both macros and at that time the gm appears on the miners screen. He says hi, I say hi back immediately, and try to assure him that I was not unattending. I just didn't notice him. I am not even quite sure how I missed him.
My macros do a lot of teleporting: my journal is open on both screens and still I did not notice him, but I sure noticed the guy that reported me 20 minutes earlier. So the gm says that I have to respond. How long did he give me to notice him as I'm teleporting around? It can take less than 2 minutes or 1 mining or lumberjack location to completely fill my journal where I cant see anything before that time frame, especially if the macro is in error(30 sec - maybe less)which happens quite often, especially being thrown into jail. So I had no way of seeing the history of everything longer than 30 secs before. So obviously I was not unattended since I have responded by time he got to my second gatherer.
But yet I was still in jail and still had resources taken away that I gathered legally. Due to my frustration for being falsely accused and convicted. I just logged out right then and there and contemplated quitting for all of the remainder of the day. And decided im gonna try this approach first.
Due to my lack of programming skills to make macros. My macros are not good enough to unattend macro.
1 when a world save happens it screws up my macros (i did not feel like inputting the code 1000's of times at every stage of the macro) when its easier to just watch it.
2 when there is something blocking location (happens a lot with lumberjack due to animals roaming forest)
3 I cant loop the macros it just would not work right the way I setup my macros.
I am perfectly ok with these glitches cause it makes staring at a screen all day as I mine and lumberjack a little less boring and forces me to attend.
Now sure ill take this first strike as whatever lesson the gm thinks maybe right. But I feel that I have done nothing wrong. And I am going to continue to mine and lumberjack the same way I have been because it is within the rules of the server and I love to do it. And if i'm wrong and what i am doing is against the rules I will destroy all that I have done and leave the server.
But I have a serious problem of being harassed by my competition or any jealous idiot that walks by and sees me macroing and decides that because I am not talking to them they are going to report me. Cause if that is how it rolls around here i'm gonna start calling gm every time I see someone macroing. Especially my competition.
Now if this player I saw happens to see me on his player account and switches over to his gm account and throws me in jail. That even brings up more serious issues of corruption. Using gm powers to eliminate the competition for his own personal gains in game.
Besides I don't make enough money from attended mining and lumber jacking to justify even getting a warning or second strike or third strike. There are way faster ways to make money in this game legally. I can make more money hunting Sphynx for 4 hrs than I can mine and chop and sell in 1 day.
I do it because I am a crafter and merchant. I always have been since early UO. I very rarely go out and hunt and never pvp. I am a merchant at heart. I have donated well over couple of hundred in the last couple of months to help maintain this wonderful server. Not that it matters much how much I donate but it shows my will to keep it going. So if I am going to be continually convicted for obeying the rules and doing what I love to do then I will leave.
This thread is not meant to be a complaint but rather a means to solve this problem from getting out of hand.
I've shown suggestions throughout this document to resolve this issue. As a newer and already loyal fan of this server I do not want this getting out of hand where I have to stop doing what I am doing because of fear of false prosecution while obeying the rules. I am truly worried for my way of life on this server. There has to be a better way of detecting unattended macroing and not falsely prosecuting rule abiding citizens.
The more I think about it the more I have a feeling this was mis-identification on my part. The other factor is my razor window always on top partially blocking the main screen since so little room in black area of screen. And the gm could have appeared behind razor window and walked out from behind and into house. I watch 2 things as i'm attending gathering, the journal and razor. When at home the journal is pretty much useless due to restocking and smelting messages. So razor is highest priority to watch since if anything is going wrong I can always see it in razor first. As you play this game and use razor more you become more dependent on it same with UOassist.
Can gm's stop macros? That would have gotten my attention immediately. No player can do that.
Can gm's look at the macros that people are using? Cause if you can and find a macro that can be used to unattend macro then that is enough evidence to start to watch them.
Do gm's have a certain rule as to how long they have to try and attempt to contact the individual before throwing them in jail?
If that guy was the gm and my educated guess was wrong then there must be a better way of identification other than just appearance & speaking, and I would like to then apologize for not making a bigger effort to stop the macro and speak with the gm. But I also dont want to stop my macro everytime for everyone I see near my chars either. Just to make sure it aint a gm.
How about throw up one of the event windows? I see those all the time as i'm attending. Bigger window though so you can tell the difference and its large enough to see from behind razor, maybe red background, and obviously not to the whole world, just to the individual you are trying to determine is unattending? Then start timer (if one)and proceed to speak to individual.
Sorry for the long speech. But as you can see this a complicated situation and has brought up many issues IMO. I gave this server and the gms that maintain it a A++ rating up to this point. I hope this can be resolved.
Everything in here is truthful and I wont name the gm so don't ask. I'm not trying to point fingers. I'm not trying to get my resources back. I just don't want this happening again for all the wrong reasons.
Also this document is pretty long. So please read the whole thing before commenting.
Hello my name is Zenithia.
I am sure quite a few people have seen me running around. I have been here only a couple of months now.
This is my first time posting on the forums. So first let me explain a little about myself.
I have played UO for 10 years on OSI. I quit when I felt I shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee anymore and my grandfathered castle will always be there with my stuff regardless. So I roamed around the net looking at other games for awhile that were similar to UO like Wyrm online, etc... eventually gave up on all those and came here. UO will forever be my favorite game. Due to crafting, housing, and taming. No other game does it for me as good as UO does.
I am very disturbed by a recent situation I had with a gm yesterday. I was attending my two resource gatherers, one was lumberjacking the other mining. The rules state that you cant multi client for combat. Which I am not.
Now first off I fully believe in not allowing unattended macroing. It ruins the overall game in
many ways, which have thoroughly been discussed in the forums so i wont get into it here.
I have 2 monitors for my computer (15" and 32"tv)so its pretty easy for me to attend to two macroing characters at once using nothing more than what was given to me to play on this server "razor".
I do not use any other programs.
I stop my macros when I step away from the computer such as coffee breaks, bathroom breaks, anytime I leave the computer, even while writing this document my macro characters are sitting waiting for me to start them.
I log out when I go to bed or when I leave the house for extended periods of time. So I have a clean record up to this point. On osi and here. Only unattending I agree with is gating.
As I am going along doing my thing yesterday I see a person come walking up to my house. I see him say and I quote "gm o.o". I figured he was referring to my skill by looking at my paperdoll not even contemplating gm at this time. My macros were still running at this point and teleported away to my next destination before I had a chance to say anything. Let alone I am not a very social person and didn't want to stop my macro just to recall back and talk to someone that was walking by my house. I did not have time to see the guys name before teleporting away, I tried looking on the journal as I was continuing to lumberjack but it was gone.
So I have no idea if that was the gm or just a player. My educated guess is player cause he walked up to the house and did not just appear and walked into my public section of my house and also why would a gm say gm o.o.
Next time my macro teleported back to house I did not see him or anyone. So I just switched back over to my miner cause I would rather listen to the sound of the mining than the lumber jacking. Both screens still visible one on each monitor but only one plays sound at a time. It had to be this guy that reported me cause this all happened about 20 minutes before the gm showed up.
So 20 minutes later I notice on my smaller monitor that my lumberjack macro was in error and that i'm in jail. But my other one is still going so I stop both macros and at that time the gm appears on the miners screen. He says hi, I say hi back immediately, and try to assure him that I was not unattending. I just didn't notice him. I am not even quite sure how I missed him.
My macros do a lot of teleporting: my journal is open on both screens and still I did not notice him, but I sure noticed the guy that reported me 20 minutes earlier. So the gm says that I have to respond. How long did he give me to notice him as I'm teleporting around? It can take less than 2 minutes or 1 mining or lumberjack location to completely fill my journal where I cant see anything before that time frame, especially if the macro is in error(30 sec - maybe less)which happens quite often, especially being thrown into jail. So I had no way of seeing the history of everything longer than 30 secs before. So obviously I was not unattended since I have responded by time he got to my second gatherer.
But yet I was still in jail and still had resources taken away that I gathered legally. Due to my frustration for being falsely accused and convicted. I just logged out right then and there and contemplated quitting for all of the remainder of the day. And decided im gonna try this approach first.
Due to my lack of programming skills to make macros. My macros are not good enough to unattend macro.
1 when a world save happens it screws up my macros (i did not feel like inputting the code 1000's of times at every stage of the macro) when its easier to just watch it.
2 when there is something blocking location (happens a lot with lumberjack due to animals roaming forest)
3 I cant loop the macros it just would not work right the way I setup my macros.
I am perfectly ok with these glitches cause it makes staring at a screen all day as I mine and lumberjack a little less boring and forces me to attend.
Now sure ill take this first strike as whatever lesson the gm thinks maybe right. But I feel that I have done nothing wrong. And I am going to continue to mine and lumberjack the same way I have been because it is within the rules of the server and I love to do it. And if i'm wrong and what i am doing is against the rules I will destroy all that I have done and leave the server.
But I have a serious problem of being harassed by my competition or any jealous idiot that walks by and sees me macroing and decides that because I am not talking to them they are going to report me. Cause if that is how it rolls around here i'm gonna start calling gm every time I see someone macroing. Especially my competition.
Now if this player I saw happens to see me on his player account and switches over to his gm account and throws me in jail. That even brings up more serious issues of corruption. Using gm powers to eliminate the competition for his own personal gains in game.
Besides I don't make enough money from attended mining and lumber jacking to justify even getting a warning or second strike or third strike. There are way faster ways to make money in this game legally. I can make more money hunting Sphynx for 4 hrs than I can mine and chop and sell in 1 day.
I do it because I am a crafter and merchant. I always have been since early UO. I very rarely go out and hunt and never pvp. I am a merchant at heart. I have donated well over couple of hundred in the last couple of months to help maintain this wonderful server. Not that it matters much how much I donate but it shows my will to keep it going. So if I am going to be continually convicted for obeying the rules and doing what I love to do then I will leave.
This thread is not meant to be a complaint but rather a means to solve this problem from getting out of hand.
I've shown suggestions throughout this document to resolve this issue. As a newer and already loyal fan of this server I do not want this getting out of hand where I have to stop doing what I am doing because of fear of false prosecution while obeying the rules. I am truly worried for my way of life on this server. There has to be a better way of detecting unattended macroing and not falsely prosecuting rule abiding citizens.
The more I think about it the more I have a feeling this was mis-identification on my part. The other factor is my razor window always on top partially blocking the main screen since so little room in black area of screen. And the gm could have appeared behind razor window and walked out from behind and into house. I watch 2 things as i'm attending gathering, the journal and razor. When at home the journal is pretty much useless due to restocking and smelting messages. So razor is highest priority to watch since if anything is going wrong I can always see it in razor first. As you play this game and use razor more you become more dependent on it same with UOassist.
Can gm's stop macros? That would have gotten my attention immediately. No player can do that.
Can gm's look at the macros that people are using? Cause if you can and find a macro that can be used to unattend macro then that is enough evidence to start to watch them.
Do gm's have a certain rule as to how long they have to try and attempt to contact the individual before throwing them in jail?
If that guy was the gm and my educated guess was wrong then there must be a better way of identification other than just appearance & speaking, and I would like to then apologize for not making a bigger effort to stop the macro and speak with the gm. But I also dont want to stop my macro everytime for everyone I see near my chars either. Just to make sure it aint a gm.
How about throw up one of the event windows? I see those all the time as i'm attending. Bigger window though so you can tell the difference and its large enough to see from behind razor, maybe red background, and obviously not to the whole world, just to the individual you are trying to determine is unattending? Then start timer (if one)and proceed to speak to individual.
Sorry for the long speech. But as you can see this a complicated situation and has brought up many issues IMO. I gave this server and the gms that maintain it a A++ rating up to this point. I hope this can be resolved.
Everything in here is truthful and I wont name the gm so don't ask. I'm not trying to point fingers. I'm not trying to get my resources back. I just don't want this happening again for all the wrong reasons.
