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[COMPLETE] Pub 46
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Re: Pub 46
I think his point was that some of these fix's counter stuff that doesn't exist on demise. so it can't be a fix, if it's not fixing anything, it's just nerfing certain characters who are suppose to have abilities that would make them too good without the nerf on these parts, but since the other powers don't exist, it doesn't really fix the balance, it just makes characters harder to use/useless. kinda like the idea of adding poison without cure
which i assume is being taken into account when choosing what's added, so i dunno why anyone's complaining.
unless whatever gets posted automatically gets added now.
psz;562140 said:
I think his point was that some of these fix's counter stuff that doesn't exist on demise. so it can't be a fix, if it's not fixing anything, it's just nerfing certain characters who are suppose to have abilities that would make them too good without the nerf on these parts, but since the other powers don't exist, it doesn't really fix the balance, it just makes characters harder to use/useless. kinda like the idea of adding poison without cure
which i assume is being taken into account when choosing what's added, so i dunno why anyone's complaining.
unless whatever gets posted automatically gets added now.
Gisela
Bug Hunter
Re: Pub 46
Yep, I was talking about different classes of bugs. Surely you see the difference between 'Death Strike is now 50% less effective' and 'You can no longer smelt ore on a fire beetle ghost'
However, I now realize that any talk which might stem the current flood of code is a bad idea (if it stops and it may never start again)
Nerf away
Yep, I was talking about different classes of bugs. Surely you see the difference between 'Death Strike is now 50% less effective' and 'You can no longer smelt ore on a fire beetle ghost'
However, I now realize that any talk which might stem the current flood of code is a bad idea (if it stops and it may never start again)
Nerf away
Re: Pub 46
I don't get why people are so uptight about discussing what gets implemented and when..
there's tons of people who play this server, and tons more who use the SVN's. A lot of people are passionate about their hobbies (gaming), talking about what gets implemented and when is good and healthy for the whole community.
It's not like all this stuff is getting implement on Sunday or even today anyway..
Gisela;562616 said:
I don't get why people are so uptight about discussing what gets implemented and when..
there's tons of people who play this server, and tons more who use the SVN's. A lot of people are passionate about their hobbies (gaming), talking about what gets implemented and when is good and healthy for the whole community.
It's not like all this stuff is getting implement on Sunday or even today anyway..
LadyCrimson
Wanderer
Re: Pub 46
These same conversations occur on OSI with every patch. I played for years and it has never changed. What one person values another will say it nerfs them. So goes life in UO -
Honestly, the only real difference between us and them in these conversations is that staff is around to handle the complaints and try to analyze them. On OSI its a "oh well, sucks to be you" situation when it comes to staff/player interactions.
Honestly, tho - if these changes didn't take place, you'd have every template completely out of whack. The changes are going in to help bring it down a notch and get everyone on the same playing field.
And honestly - smelting on a ghost is lame anywho. I only discovered it on OSI by accident. Why would a dead beetle produce heat? Logic fix, imho.
These same conversations occur on OSI with every patch. I played for years and it has never changed. What one person values another will say it nerfs them. So goes life in UO -
Honestly, the only real difference between us and them in these conversations is that staff is around to handle the complaints and try to analyze them. On OSI its a "oh well, sucks to be you" situation when it comes to staff/player interactions.
Honestly, tho - if these changes didn't take place, you'd have every template completely out of whack. The changes are going in to help bring it down a notch and get everyone on the same playing field.
And honestly - smelting on a ghost is lame anywho. I only discovered it on OSI by accident. Why would a dead beetle produce heat? Logic fix, imho.
Re: Pub 46
I have a question for LC or PSZ, since we're on the subject.
are we looking at
Kingdom Reborn content (June 27, 2007) and or
Stygian Abyss content (2009)
Because if we aren't, a lot of these things do need to be discussed and considered. Ultimately i don't care what gets added, but it would be nice to make sure we're following some kind of sense. are we going to need someone to make gargoyles? (god forbid).
If only half the content to the server gets added, what's the point of keeping on top of new trends? OSI/EA is all about "out with the old, in with the new" that's how they make their money, making the old ways of being useless, and forcing players who want to keep playing to update their clients or purchase something extra.
If the goal is to be 100% up to date with OSI on everything, cool.
If it's only going to be up to date till a certain addition was made to the game, i propose that these threads become discussion threads, and the people who makes a topic/post a bug fix/update, should keep track of the bugs in their scripts via PM and post the results on the first page, where's the rest of the thread would be dedicated to how the feature fits into the current game.
Just an idea, and a question. how far are we going? what's the cut off point?
I have a question for LC or PSZ, since we're on the subject.
are we looking at
Kingdom Reborn content (June 27, 2007) and or
Stygian Abyss content (2009)
Because if we aren't, a lot of these things do need to be discussed and considered. Ultimately i don't care what gets added, but it would be nice to make sure we're following some kind of sense. are we going to need someone to make gargoyles? (god forbid).
If only half the content to the server gets added, what's the point of keeping on top of new trends? OSI/EA is all about "out with the old, in with the new" that's how they make their money, making the old ways of being useless, and forcing players who want to keep playing to update their clients or purchase something extra.
If the goal is to be 100% up to date with OSI on everything, cool.
If it's only going to be up to date till a certain addition was made to the game, i propose that these threads become discussion threads, and the people who makes a topic/post a bug fix/update, should keep track of the bugs in their scripts via PM and post the results on the first page, where's the rest of the thread would be dedicated to how the feature fits into the current game.
Just an idea, and a question. how far are we going? what's the cut off point?
Nikki_Demise
Bug Hunter
Re: Pub 46
It is my understanding KR is not an expansion it's EA's latest attempt at switching to a 3D client. There is no change in game mechanics that is part of KR.
SA has not been released yet so ML is still the current expansion.
Kiluad;562658 said:
It is my understanding KR is not an expansion it's EA's latest attempt at switching to a 3D client. There is no change in game mechanics that is part of KR.
SA has not been released yet so ML is still the current expansion.
LadyCrimson
Wanderer
Re: Pub 46
This is correct. KR is not new content. It's a client. The content of KR is exact to ML. SA is a new expansion, so in the end - yes, we'll go that far too.
As Nikki stated, right now ML is as current as OSI is so that's where we are going. When there is more, then we'll have a new goal.
LC
Nikki_Demise;562669 said:
This is correct. KR is not new content. It's a client. The content of KR is exact to ML. SA is a new expansion, so in the end - yes, we'll go that far too.
As Nikki stated, right now ML is as current as OSI is so that's where we are going. When there is more, then we'll have a new goal.
LC
Re: Pub 46
If you plan to have KR implemented into a free server like demise, that might be an issue... A friend of mine informed me that it's been said (I do this by hearsay only) KR is more or less impossible to emulate due to changes in how things are sent across the servers. Unless someone else knows, I don't think KR is going to be an option for free shards right now.
If you plan to have KR implemented into a free server like demise, that might be an issue... A friend of mine informed me that it's been said (I do this by hearsay only) KR is more or less impossible to emulate due to changes in how things are sent across the servers. Unless someone else knows, I don't think KR is going to be an option for free shards right now.
osd_daedalus
Knight
Re: Pub 46
As far as I know:
- Our goal is to reach the OSI level. This is valid if we are coding only for Demise, though... we find ourselves to code for RunUO, so at the end we are coding to reach OSI level for pre-AoS, AoS, SE and ML. Four differents kind of Ultima shards.
- If you are going in fibrillation for new contents, chill down and take a xanax I believe in 1 or 2 weeks we could start working on it... although other things prior to ML should be implemented. Is there Direct and Chaos Damage now? If not, it will be impossible to implement part of ML.
- About KR: Developers said they will not work on them now because their official milestone is ML now. Jeff said it's not a matter of legal issues, but:
1) the fact the KR client handles gumps in a different way, so all of RunUO-created gumps will be useless. This would mean little for a player, but can mean much for a GM!
2) Being 3d, only OSI-like shards will work well on it.
Referring mainly to this thread: http://www.runuo.com/forums/general-discussion/96463-kr-support.html
I have heard, though, SA client will be a mix between KR and the old 2d client. Maybe it will be like the old 3d client, just with KR models?
As far as I know:
- Our goal is to reach the OSI level. This is valid if we are coding only for Demise, though... we find ourselves to code for RunUO, so at the end we are coding to reach OSI level for pre-AoS, AoS, SE and ML. Four differents kind of Ultima shards.
- If you are going in fibrillation for new contents, chill down and take a xanax
I believe in 1 or 2 weeks we could start working on it... although other things prior to ML should be implemented. Is there Direct and Chaos Damage now? If not, it will be impossible to implement part of ML.- About KR: Developers said they will not work on them now because their official milestone is ML now. Jeff said it's not a matter of legal issues, but:
1) the fact the KR client handles gumps in a different way, so all of RunUO-created gumps will be useless. This would mean little for a player, but can mean much for a GM!
2) Being 3d, only OSI-like shards will work well on it.
Referring mainly to this thread: http://www.runuo.com/forums/general-discussion/96463-kr-support.html
I have heard, though, SA client will be a mix between KR and the old 2d client. Maybe it will be like the old 3d client, just with KR models?
osd_daedalus
Knight
Re: Pub 46
Sorry for the dumb question, but can you guarantee all of this will work only on ML shards?
Nikki_Demise;561802 said:
Sorry for the dumb question, but can you guarantee all of this will work only on ML shards?
osd_daedalus
Knight
Re: Pub 46
as you said me in IRC, I'm waiting your corrections in your patch before inserting it in the megadiff.
as you said me in IRC, I'm waiting your corrections in your patch before inserting it in the megadiff.
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