i dont get how you can say archers are gimp arrows do like half health shots ev time and if you cant get around mage spells then dont pvp.. i played a dexxer for most of my time on OSI during pre pub15 and post pub15 its pretty much exactly the same as it is here and of course mages rocked like usual but dexxers could kill people.. jus gotta know how to .. u dont need magery.. and 2 fencers or even 2 axers own 2 mages if they play it right i mean cmon concussion blows owns mages.. and what about the time when osi decided to add para,concust,crushing they made it more of a fair fight :/ most people quit UO because they added specials to weapons.