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Start of the universe
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Cebrious Arcane
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I love belief, in all forms and respect and appreciate anyone that stands by his or her beliefs. Including scientists.
I am at peace because I know death is inevitable and unpredictable and thus we can all relax and enjoy the ride. But I have an inner urge to pursue reality. As if, anything that is not the active pursuit for reality is a total waste of time. There may not be an omnipotent "truth", but there is definitely more, and I will never stop reaching for it.
Gotta love Alex Grey, nice pic, Ape.
I disagree. I would say we are engrained to take that which we know for granted. Because we take what we know for granted, many people believe that all we know is all there is. But, in the same token, because we take what we know for granted it is easy to believe that is all we can know.Lynyrd said:
I love belief, in all forms and respect and appreciate anyone that stands by his or her beliefs. Including scientists.
I am at peace because I know death is inevitable and unpredictable and thus we can all relax and enjoy the ride. But I have an inner urge to pursue reality. As if, anything that is not the active pursuit for reality is a total waste of time. There may not be an omnipotent "truth", but there is definitely more, and I will never stop reaching for it.
What is there to fear? I know the exact feeling of fear you're talking about, I'm just interested to know where you're coming from.Flipper said:
Do you mean we do not exist physically? Or that we do not exist at all? If we do not exist at all, what is this right now? A conscious illusion would still be an existence, would it not? Would you say your consciousness exists?Flipper said:
Gotta love Alex Grey, nice pic, Ape.
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Dead Head E-Mart
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doors are overrated, theyre an invention of free will, god really hates doors
doors are overrated, theyre an invention of free will, god really hates doors
panDEMONium-hybrid
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aliens are real. There is a govenrment plot
aliens are real. There is a govenrment plot
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am i a little late to this thread? =)
i just have one thing to add to this question: we dont even know what space is, so i would say we dont have a real definit anwer to what "space" is. space is not "by definition" empty. einstein in his early work with general relativity stumbled upon what is called a cosmlogical constant. this is something that permiates all space. therefor space itself can be used as a reference for motion, more specifically accelerated motion.
the ideas you hold about space are what we trhought a VERY long time ago but were all found to be false. space is not just a big stage within which events happen. space is a very 'real' and 'alive' i guess you could say.
no one can tell you a specific answer, and there has always been something, be it god or the physical material. but a theory that has become pretty established is expansionary cosmology.
the cyclical cosmoligical theories have all pretty much been debunked so you dont have to worry about the universe collapsing, the more realistic alternative would be that everything floats away from everything else until we are very very alone (but humans would be gone way before this happens).
but the more we measure, the more we think that there is just the right amount of mass/energy in the universe that attractive and repulsive gravity will eventualy balance out.
i didnt read through all 60 pages of this so sorry if any of this has been covered.
and i dont remember who said it, but it was in the first or second page. something about how our old pictures could be tricking us into thinking there was a begining. could you explaint that more?
oh and to RacecaR (the guy on the first page that said to read the brian greene book angels and deamons): STFU NEWB!
Xternal_Fire;75159 said:
am i a little late to this thread? =)
i just have one thing to add to this question: we dont even know what space is, so i would say we dont have a real definit anwer to what "space" is. space is not "by definition" empty. einstein in his early work with general relativity stumbled upon what is called a cosmlogical constant. this is something that permiates all space. therefor space itself can be used as a reference for motion, more specifically accelerated motion.
the ideas you hold about space are what we trhought a VERY long time ago but were all found to be false. space is not just a big stage within which events happen. space is a very 'real' and 'alive' i guess you could say.
no one can tell you a specific answer, and there has always been something, be it god or the physical material. but a theory that has become pretty established is expansionary cosmology.
the cyclical cosmoligical theories have all pretty much been debunked so you dont have to worry about the universe collapsing, the more realistic alternative would be that everything floats away from everything else until we are very very alone (but humans would be gone way before this happens).
but the more we measure, the more we think that there is just the right amount of mass/energy in the universe that attractive and repulsive gravity will eventualy balance out.
i didnt read through all 60 pages of this so sorry if any of this has been covered.
and i dont remember who said it, but it was in the first or second page. something about how our old pictures could be tricking us into thinking there was a begining. could you explaint that more?
oh and to RacecaR (the guy on the first page that said to read the brian greene book angels and deamons): STFU NEWB!
Cebrious Arcane
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Re: Start of the universe
<3
<3
panDEMONium-hybrid
Sorceror
Re: Start of the universe
lol you shoot left handed? cl_righthand 1
lol you shoot left handed? cl_righthand 1
Cebrious Arcane
Forum Murderer
Re: Start of the universe
When you look at a photo, the persons in the photo - especially if the photo is very old - don't look anything like the persons in modern life. Because of this, to connect the persons in the photo with you in modern life, you must tell a story, like "This was me when I was five, I went to school, I got married, and now..."
So it takes telling a story, that for all intents and purposes is a fiction based loosely on fact, to tie yourself to this photo. So are you the same person you were at that time? You look different, but is the you that is you the same? Especially, when you take into account that your bodies cells are constantly dying and being rebuilt and, over the course of seven years, your entire body has been "rebuilt" in that same way.
So where does the real you come into play? How do you remain the quintessentially the same if all the cells of your physical body die and are rebuilt on a gradual seven year cycle?
I have read all 60 pages, and you brought up an unvoiced perspective. Welcome!Stert;1200002 said:
I don't remember either, but it was probably me, hehe. I think it was in reference to the film Waking Life which is exceptional if you haven't seen it. The dialogue in the film is similar to this:Stert said:
When you look at a photo, the persons in the photo - especially if the photo is very old - don't look anything like the persons in modern life. Because of this, to connect the persons in the photo with you in modern life, you must tell a story, like "This was me when I was five, I went to school, I got married, and now..."
So it takes telling a story, that for all intents and purposes is a fiction based loosely on fact, to tie yourself to this photo. So are you the same person you were at that time? You look different, but is the you that is you the same? Especially, when you take into account that your bodies cells are constantly dying and being rebuilt and, over the course of seven years, your entire body has been "rebuilt" in that same way.
So where does the real you come into play? How do you remain the quintessentially the same if all the cells of your physical body die and are rebuilt on a gradual seven year cycle?
Cebrious Arcane
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Re: Start of the universe
Bump for Ego Lost since he's a forum newb and can't use Search.
Bump for Ego Lost since he's a forum newb and can't use Search.
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