The lack of civility and humanity

[Brede]

Re: The lack of civility and humanity

I must admit, the first moment I logged in, the first person I saw said "Can you get the fuck out of here?" . Almost made me log right out! Hoping there were more civil players was the old thing that kept me moving.

 

[Mythia Jhengli]

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Freedom of speech only comes into play when you affect other's freedoms. .

Freedom of speech has never been that black and white...

I must admit, the first moment I logged in, the first person I saw said "Can you get the fuck out of here?" . Almost made me log right out! Hoping there were more civil players was the old thing that kept me moving.

There are still civil people in this game. Sometimes it just takes a bit of time before you can find some. =\

 

[Ozzy]

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I must admit, the first moment I logged in, the first person I saw said "Can you get the fuck out of here?" . Almost made me log right out! Hoping there were more civil players was the old thing that kept me moving.

Probably me!!!!! I am uncivil

 

[derreisender]

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Ozzy, why do you PLAGUE and INFEST every thread in which I try to appeal to the masses with regards to greater purpose and social virtue? Consistently, you contributions are inflammatory and irrelevant. I would definitely appreciate a response along the lines of that which I describe above, just before linking to Dennis Miller's rant.

 

[Ozzy]

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Ozzy, why do you PLAGUE and INFEST every thread in which I try to appeal to the masses with regards to greater purpose and social virtue? Consistently, you contributions are inflammatory and irrelevant. I would definitely appreciate a response along the lines of that which I describe above, just before linking to Dennis Miller's rant.

Because I do?

 

[lpu_joe]

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[e applauds

Agree

 

[derreisender]

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Because I do?

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Ozzy]

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Thanks for proving my point

Hrrm... All points that are possible to prove have already been proven in this thread, and everyone has agreed flaming, racial slurs etc is just bullshit and we need to quit using them. But we are none the wiser because we keep using all those things anyway, why? Because its fun... Plus we don't want Hybrid to turn into some fucking carebear country...

My point was that I am only using this thread to bump my post counts :/

 

[Mara]

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There isn't a goddamn thing that is civil about humanity.

 

[derreisender]

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There isn't a goddamn thing that is civil about humanity.

Yes, that's a choice, whether conscious or unconscious. Ideas evolve. Plants evolve. Why have humans been stuck in this rut for the past few thousand years? Maybe the way we've tried to live for the past few thousand years is a BAD IDEA. Hell, modern culture condemns many of the practices and virtues essential to evolution and natural selection. We've been dooming ourselves for thousands of years while cockroaches and lizards have been making remarkable progress!

What goes up, must come down. Ask any system administrator. My point is that we should not simply flock to obey or disobey based on simple notions of what is fun or what is against the rules but should make intelligent choices having considered the short and long term implications of our actions in either case. This is the only chance we have and, probably, one of the last few we're going to get. Obscenity and malevolence aren't only words; they're also every day actions that many of us live by.

Repeating myself once more, nothing in this universe comes with a little tag that says, absolutely and unquestionably, "this is generally regarded as a good thing" or "this is generally regarded as a bad thing." We make all this stuff up, by choice! Instead of yielding to the fallacies of emotion and tradition for our decision making processes and moral foundations, we should THINK about everything we do and how we can improve the world for ALL of us, not just ourselves because, after all, we're all stuck here together and can't exactly fly off to another planet.

 

[Gozer]

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Wow... just wow.

I'm a System Administrator (per your previous post I felt it added value to my opinion) and I have a feeling that the individuals you're really trying to target with this thread were lost after page 1 if they ever even glanced at all.

This is more of a philosophy or ideology thread.


If a monkey does something it shouldn't, electrocute it and they'll eventually learn. Isn't that what they do with mice?

 

[Abrasive]

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Yes, that's a choice, whether conscious or unconscious. Ideas evolve. Plants evolve. Why have humans been stuck in this rut for the past few thousand years? Maybe the way we've tried to live for the past few thousand years is a BAD IDEA. Hell, modern culture condemns many of the practices and virtues essential to evolution and natural selection. We've been dooming ourselves for thousands of years while cockroaches and lizards have been making remarkable progress!

What goes up, must come down. Ask any system administrator. My point is that we should not simply flock to obey or disobey based on simple notions of what is fun or what is against the rules but should make intelligent choices having considered the short and long term implications of our actions in either case. This is the only chance we have and, probably, one of the last few we're going to get. Obscenity and malevolence aren't only words; they're also every day actions that many of us live by.

Repeating myself once more, nothing in this universe comes with a little tag that says, absolutely and unquestionably, "this is generally regarded as a good thing" or "this is generally regarded as a bad thing." We make all this stuff up, by choice! Instead of yielding to the fallacies of emotion and tradition for our decision making processes and moral foundations, we should THINK about everything we do and how we can improve the world for ALL of us, not just ourselves because, after all, we're all stuck here together and can't exactly fly off to another planet.

Our Lack of evolution is due to religion.

 

[GreatSquid]

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Yes, that's a choice, whether conscious or unconscious. Ideas evolve. Plants evolve. Why have humans been stuck in this rut for the past few thousand years? Maybe the way we've tried to live for the past few thousand years is a BAD IDEA. Hell, modern culture condemns many of the practices and virtues essential to evolution and natural selection. We've been dooming ourselves for thousands of years while cockroaches and lizards have been making remarkable progress!

What goes up, must come down. Ask any system administrator. My point is that we should not simply flock to obey or disobey based on simple notions of what is fun or what is against the rules but should make intelligent choices having considered the short and long term implications of our actions in either case. This is the only chance we have and, probably, one of the last few we're going to get. Obscenity and malevolence aren't only words; they're also every day actions that many of us live by.

Repeating myself once more, nothing in this universe comes with a little tag that says, absolutely and unquestionably, "this is generally regarded as a good thing" or "this is generally regarded as a bad thing." We make all this stuff up, by choice! Instead of yielding to the fallacies of emotion and tradition for our decision making processes and moral foundations, we should THINK about everything we do and how we can improve the world for ALL of us, not just ourselves because, after all, we're all stuck here together and can't exactly fly off to another planet.

Get off your soapbox.

You sound like those crazy born-agains on the street corners yelling that we're all going to hell for some inane reason.

Go to seminary school if you want to preach, that way it's people that want to hear it.

 

[beelzebub]

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welcome to humanity. you may have such strong, meaningful ideals, and to you they might be perfect and meaningful... but to me they are shit.

you see, you cant live in an idealistic society, simply because not everyone adheres to the same ideals.

and (abrasive) our lack of evolution isnt due to religion. it's due to people thinking that we need to have ONE WAY of living... its due to humanity trying to conform to fit a mold that isnt REAL...

we cant base our lives on idealistic viewpoints of what humanity "should" be, because there really isnt anything that humanity should be... look at all other animals, they live their lives doing what they want... unless they live in a pack and allow themselves to be controlled and conformed. How much evolution does a pack of wolves go through? any? i doubt it... they probably just follow the leader...

the other animal, however, the lone wolf that fends for itself... he'll learn a million more things, a million times faster because he's going to see it for himself.

idk maybe this doesnt make sense... but to conclude: you cant say what's right or wrong, because its only right or wrong to you because of the way you were "taught" to feel.

 

[Abrasive]

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You can honestly say in both past and present society religion has not been used as a crutch and a means to justify both war/making money?? I believe it was/is a crutch that will continue to hold us back from acheiving what humans could achieve if all the bullshit was out of the way.

 

[Mara]

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I've observed cats toying with a mouse before they are going to kill it. Seen chimps rips the heads off of little monkeys, and swing the corpse around in glee to show their fellow chimps how great they are (Discovery Channel). I don't know what to make of these sort of things. Some people have empathy, and feel other peoples pain, suffering, pleasure, etc. Many people only care about themselves, but I don't know if it is genetic or they are just malevolent. Many in our race extract resources from anything or everything we can with no regard for other's welfare. Still waiting for the day aliens put us in pens, and serve my arms in a little plastic bag labeled idiot wings. And yet, I'm still a carnivore.

Beelzebub had some great points. When someone tell you to go f'''' youself, your reaction may be shock and dismay. Another person may simply smile, and inquire how he could go about doing such a wonderful thing. Alot of things do come down to what we have been trained to think or react.

 

[beelzebub]

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You can honestly say in both past and present society religion has not been used as a crutch and a means to justify both war/making money?? I believe it was/is a crutch that will continue to hold us back from acheiving what humans could achieve if all the bullshit was out of the way.

if you'd read what i said you would have noticed: i agreed with you, i didnt say "yes i agree" but you can clearly see that in me saying the problem is people wanting you to be ONE CERTAIN WAY.

this applies to religion, politics, genres, socialism, ect ectectect...

what im saying is that Religion isnt the only thing. its just one of many reasons that humanity will never reach true "oneness"

in my opinion, religion is one of the lesser evils. there's so many social wrongs in the world that dont even apply to religion its sad.

funny funny people.

edit: and Mara, your statement/question about empathy... empathy is just another thing people are raised to understand. im an empathetic being, but my mother was very much the same.
empathy *could* be a natural occurrence, i wouldnt doubt it...

but in the other hand you still really cant have real empathy without having gone through something similar, which would leave me thinking its something learned rather than genetic.

 

[derreisender]

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Mara, Abrasive, Gozer, and Beelzebub, thank you for your thoughts. GreatSquid, I apologize for having invaded your little bubble of banality and mediocrity. Go back to bed, kid. It's good to see that some people in the world are still capable of critical thinking, many of them probably not in the United States. Then again, I can't expect many of my American friends here to be able to think because we live in the United States of ADVERTISING, where freedom of expression, among other things, is only guaranteed if you've enough money.

For years, I have observed various reasons for our lack of advancement. Religion, government, international banking, and multinational corporations are just a few cogs in this machine that are grinding us into pieces every day. Anything that challenges this dynasty of dollars is systematically annihilated. Gandhi? BANG. John Lennon? BANG. Martin Luther King? BANG. Who's next? Our society of dumbed-down, obedient workers keeps manufacturing plenty of bullets. There's no shortage of weapons, but there always seems to be a shortage of food, shelter, and education. Hmm...

I'm not here to say what's wrong and what's wrong. Morality is something that has to be realized, not just told, taught, and hammered into our heads in primary school. I'm here to show and discuss, with those who are a little more evolved and can think and speak in complete sentences, that there is a choice here, that we've all been lied to and deliberately suppressed and damaged all our lives. I've found that to start with just one simple choice, followed by action.

When asked regarding the Rwandan genocide, ".Why didn't the world come,"
Canadian General Romeo Dallaire supplies his own answer: "Because there was no self-interest....No oil. They didn't come because some humans are [considered] less human than others." That's where it starts, realizing that nobody is any more or less human than the rest of us, that we're all stuck on the same planet together, with a limited pool of resources that we must all share. Humans are, by far, the most social creatures on this planet, and we all have a duty to uphold a reasonable social contract with each other.

If you approach the social contract with divisive labels, arbitrary categories, and misguided notions of things such as race, religion, and sexual preferences, then the social contract will be inherently flawed and perpetuate the misery of the masses at the sole benefit of the few who see through it. If you approach the social contract with the understanding that we are all part of the same whole, that we are all human, through the eyes of compassion, something very different happens. You stop being afraid; you don't close yourself off anymore. Then, we evolve.

 

[beelzebub]

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im from america asshole.

no need to make stereotypes kthx

 

[derreisender]

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im from america asshole.

no need to make stereotypes kthx

It's not an insult, just an observation. Religion, as one example, seems to only permeate society and daily living in third-world countries with one nice exception: USA.