LKP
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Re: Hybrid is great because it's so diverse.
Maybe players are better now, but I don't agree that that should negate two and a half years of history. Why didn't we get so much better then?
Isn't there any other solution to this? It's true that people running away after dumping all their mana is infuriating, and not being able to catch the fucker and make him pay is frustrating. At the same time, not having any chance whatsoever of outrunning a purple potion is even moreso. I'd much sooner people be able to get away from me sometimes, and I be able to get away from them sometimes. As it is now, I can't see a damn thing I can do when being chased by an alchy dexer. If I stop to cast a heal, I'm going to get hit with the weapon. If I keep running and chugging potions, I'm going to keep getting hit with purples twice as often as I can chug a heal pot, and every one is going to hit and do as much damage as the heal. I'm going to die either way. The only thing I can see working is heal wands (which will eventually run out) or bandages (which aren't an option for templates that don't have the healing skill).
I'm glad you've found your niche. I'll concede that there is a disparity of skill among alchemists. I always respect a skilled player who can take something seemingly simple and get creative with it and take it to new levels. I give you props there. And I don't want to nerf your ability to keep on doing that and being successful. What I do want to do is put more templates on that same level and make this game a little more interesting. So you've got a lot of experience with this, throw me a bone. Can you think of any way in which purple potions could be toned down slightly while not impeding your ability to be successful and have fun with them?
Where do I find a hally that can do 90 hp of damage? Even a valorite one won't hit that hard... and if it did, there'd at least be armor and RA to reduce it. The thing is, everyone can wear armor, and almost every PvPer on this shard has magery, so they can all use RA and archprotection. A mage can keep a tank poisoned to make him disarm, that's true. And a dexer doesn't really have that problem, as he has the advantage in close quarters already. Countering an alchemist isn't as easy as you make it sound, though, because the counter you suggest is template-specific. I can't punch disrupt an alchy mage, I don't have wrestling! Should I drop Anatomy and lose 30% of my weapon damage just so I can get that punch disrupt? Holding a greater heal doesn't work if he poisons, and chugging a cure pot will cancel that spell. And even if you do manage to pull that off, you can't take the right of way away from him... the next explosion pot is coming 4 seconds later, and if the punch disrupt worked, he's still got the mana to start the combo over again.
I would probably die less often too, because on the occasions that I do run (read: when I'm badly outnumbered, loaded with loot, or need to stop playing and go have a life), I often get away unless purples are involved. I still say there must be a better solution to running, maybe in the form of addressing mount stamina...
Rock-paper-scissors isn't real balance. Bandaids might help you escape, but again, they're template-specific. How can a nox-scribe survive in that same situation? He can't use bandaids, so he's fucked? How can you call that balance?
If there were nothing to be learned from the past, today's generals wouldn't be scholars of history.
I force my resolution with Razor up to 1024x768. I can see more than 12 tiles. I can't hit a guy I'm chasing unless he's well onto my screen, but I constantly get hit with purple potions thrown by pursuers I can't see.
Agreed.
I've died to that in tournaments, where potions other than explosion were disabled. If I'm stunned with my healt h down a little bit, I can't cast a heal, and if heal and str pots are disabled I can't use one of those either. What else could I have done?
I don't see the correlation between spam and skill. I do see the connection between spam and latency, though. How about the guy who just walks his horse around slowly and randomly (making it impossible to predict where he'll be and run his own potion into him) and throws 30 potions in a row? Is he truly skilled? I don't think a cooldown timer would be that big a handicap. I think things might change a little bit, but really all you'd have to do is prevent your opponent from healing a whole lot during those 10 seconds. With 2 explosion potions plus the amount of magery damage you can drop over a 10-second spam, you should still be able to kill people just as effectively.
By the way, getting 100 strength could help my survivability a bit. An extra 10 HP would be nice. However, I don't think that would do me any good once people figured it out and mindblast started hitting me for 40 damage. I'd also lose the obvious benefit of swinging my weapons a little faster. Maybe I'll try it for a while though.
So maybe it doesn't have to affect it quite that much. Maybe put a limit to how much damage reduction your armor will get you. Say, a reduction of 5-10 points. That would be a step in the right direction, while making high-end magic armor only a bit more effective than GM-crafted stuff.
Even if you let armor have its full effect and people who are willing to risk losing their invuln suit on the field get the reward of the protection it gives... I don't see the problem with that.
Well, delaying the "inevitable" could be a chance to turn the tide of the fight.
According to your earlier description of that defense, I think a better name for it would be "having wrestling and/or healing." That's not good enough if it's not available to everyone.
Stides;1917237 said:
Maybe players are better now, but I don't agree that that should negate two and a half years of history. Why didn't we get so much better then?
Isn't there any other solution to this? It's true that people running away after dumping all their mana is infuriating, and not being able to catch the fucker and make him pay is frustrating. At the same time, not having any chance whatsoever of outrunning a purple potion is even moreso. I'd much sooner people be able to get away from me sometimes, and I be able to get away from them sometimes. As it is now, I can't see a damn thing I can do when being chased by an alchy dexer. If I stop to cast a heal, I'm going to get hit with the weapon. If I keep running and chugging potions, I'm going to keep getting hit with purples twice as often as I can chug a heal pot, and every one is going to hit and do as much damage as the heal. I'm going to die either way. The only thing I can see working is heal wands (which will eventually run out) or bandages (which aren't an option for templates that don't have the healing skill).
I'm glad you've found your niche. I'll concede that there is a disparity of skill among alchemists. I always respect a skilled player who can take something seemingly simple and get creative with it and take it to new levels. I give you props there. And I don't want to nerf your ability to keep on doing that and being successful. What I do want to do is put more templates on that same level and make this game a little more interesting. So you've got a lot of experience with this, throw me a bone. Can you think of any way in which purple potions could be toned down slightly while not impeding your ability to be successful and have fun with them?
Where do I find a hally that can do 90 hp of damage? Even a valorite one won't hit that hard... and if it did, there'd at least be armor and RA to reduce it. The thing is, everyone can wear armor, and almost every PvPer on this shard has magery, so they can all use RA and archprotection. A mage can keep a tank poisoned to make him disarm, that's true. And a dexer doesn't really have that problem, as he has the advantage in close quarters already. Countering an alchemist isn't as easy as you make it sound, though, because the counter you suggest is template-specific. I can't punch disrupt an alchy mage, I don't have wrestling! Should I drop Anatomy and lose 30% of my weapon damage just so I can get that punch disrupt? Holding a greater heal doesn't work if he poisons, and chugging a cure pot will cancel that spell. And even if you do manage to pull that off, you can't take the right of way away from him... the next explosion pot is coming 4 seconds later, and if the punch disrupt worked, he's still got the mana to start the combo over again.
I would probably die less often too, because on the occasions that I do run (read: when I'm badly outnumbered, loaded with loot, or need to stop playing and go have a life), I often get away unless purples are involved. I still say there must be a better solution to running, maybe in the form of addressing mount stamina...
Rock-paper-scissors isn't real balance. Bandaids might help you escape, but again, they're template-specific. How can a nox-scribe survive in that same situation? He can't use bandaids, so he's fucked? How can you call that balance?
If there were nothing to be learned from the past, today's generals wouldn't be scholars of history.
I force my resolution with Razor up to 1024x768. I can see more than 12 tiles. I can't hit a guy I'm chasing unless he's well onto my screen, but I constantly get hit with purple potions thrown by pursuers I can't see.
Agreed.
I've died to that in tournaments, where potions other than explosion were disabled. If I'm stunned with my healt h down a little bit, I can't cast a heal, and if heal and str pots are disabled I can't use one of those either. What else could I have done?
I don't see the correlation between spam and skill. I do see the connection between spam and latency, though. How about the guy who just walks his horse around slowly and randomly (making it impossible to predict where he'll be and run his own potion into him) and throws 30 potions in a row? Is he truly skilled? I don't think a cooldown timer would be that big a handicap. I think things might change a little bit, but really all you'd have to do is prevent your opponent from healing a whole lot during those 10 seconds. With 2 explosion potions plus the amount of magery damage you can drop over a 10-second spam, you should still be able to kill people just as effectively.
By the way, getting 100 strength could help my survivability a bit. An extra 10 HP would be nice. However, I don't think that would do me any good once people figured it out and mindblast started hitting me for 40 damage. I'd also lose the obvious benefit of swinging my weapons a little faster. Maybe I'll try it for a while though.
I'm okay with that. I think it beats the alternative of not being able to escape an overpowered template that you don't want to fight.
So maybe it doesn't have to affect it quite that much. Maybe put a limit to how much damage reduction your armor will get you. Say, a reduction of 5-10 points. That would be a step in the right direction, while making high-end magic armor only a bit more effective than GM-crafted stuff.
Even if you let armor have its full effect and people who are willing to risk losing their invuln suit on the field get the reward of the protection it gives... I don't see the problem with that.
Well, delaying the "inevitable" could be a chance to turn the tide of the fight.
According to your earlier description of that defense, I think a better name for it would be "having wrestling and/or healing." That's not good enough if it's not available to everyone.
