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blacksmithing worth it?
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Re: blacksmithing worth it?
First off, this shirt is butted chainmail; meaning the rings is cut so the two ends meet and "butt-up" against one another. Admittably, this is the "weakest" form of chainmail. Don't let that mis-lead you, the tensile strength of the wire I used is over 1400fp... you could not damage it without a tool.
You can also rivet chainmail by cutting the rings so the two ends overlap, hammer the joint flat, punch a hole through it and then hammer a small piece of steel through the hole. This is riveted chainmail, and using this painstaking process the smiths of old crafted mail shirts. I only started making it this way because I have a 250 ton press now at my disposal. This is very strong chainmail
And of course you can weld the rings closed. Obviously the strongest mail around. Now that I have a wonderful Tig Welder at the shop I work at, I'm trying my hand at this.
Fuck... When you talk about something you love...
I made this shirt with 14ga stainless steel (wire diameter of .08") and the rings are 5/16" ID. I have tested patches of this "material" (like a foot square of completed chainmail) with various weapons - Wood Axe, Battle Axe, Gladius, Machette, Katana and Spear with a large balsa wood block as a backing (Using a piece of hardwood wouldn't be very realistic as flesh is softer then wood)
With the heavy swinging weapons, the chainmail actually suffers very little damage. A few rings might be bent, and maybe a couple more might open up enought that, given time they would fall out of the pattern. Most of the force of the blow is absorbed by the wood underneath (or if you were wearing it, your body)
Shorter swords, if thrusted, can pentrate the shirt. Sometimes surprisingly easily. A swing is likely to glance off the mail, with the force behind the blow akin to that of a metal pipe or baseball bat.
The Katana was the only sword I have seen actually "cut" through the chainmail. Enough force was focused at the point of impact that it mangled rings at it cut into the balsa wood. Granted, the wielder of the Katana was one of my martial arts instructors... So someone with less training would probably not do as much.
The spear thrusted through almost every time. Chainmail has little protection against thin pointy things. The further the point of a weapon can travel through the mesh of chainmail before being impeeded by the rings; the deeper the penetration into the body and the less force it takes to spread the links apart.
And whatever you do, never believe chainmail will offer any protection against a bullet. One word - Shrapnel
So to answer you question with a short version -
If you hit me full force with the blade of a halberd in the ribcage, you would probably break the ribs that you hit, maybe drive one of them into a lung. You would probably knock me back and to the ground very hurt, and if the ribs you broke were on my weapon side, most likely defenseless. But I would probably still be in one piece
In the gut, You would drive the wind out of me, knock me back and probably cause some internal beleeding if you hit hard enough. There would be a big bruise but the skin would most likely be uncut. If you want to get an idea of how it would feel, get 6-8 foot staff with a 1x1" strip of wood nailed onto the side of the staff (like a blade) and have a friend swing it as hard as he can into your unprotected gut.
In the arm. Arm is broken, simple as that.
Man that ended up being a HUGE post.
First off, this shirt is butted chainmail; meaning the rings is cut so the two ends meet and "butt-up" against one another. Admittably, this is the "weakest" form of chainmail. Don't let that mis-lead you, the tensile strength of the wire I used is over 1400fp... you could not damage it without a tool.
You can also rivet chainmail by cutting the rings so the two ends overlap, hammer the joint flat, punch a hole through it and then hammer a small piece of steel through the hole. This is riveted chainmail, and using this painstaking process the smiths of old crafted mail shirts. I only started making it this way because I have a 250 ton press now at my disposal. This is very strong chainmail
And of course you can weld the rings closed. Obviously the strongest mail around. Now that I have a wonderful Tig Welder at the shop I work at, I'm trying my hand at this.
Fuck... When you talk about something you love...
I made this shirt with 14ga stainless steel (wire diameter of .08") and the rings are 5/16" ID. I have tested patches of this "material" (like a foot square of completed chainmail) with various weapons - Wood Axe, Battle Axe, Gladius, Machette, Katana and Spear with a large balsa wood block as a backing (Using a piece of hardwood wouldn't be very realistic as flesh is softer then wood)
With the heavy swinging weapons, the chainmail actually suffers very little damage. A few rings might be bent, and maybe a couple more might open up enought that, given time they would fall out of the pattern. Most of the force of the blow is absorbed by the wood underneath (or if you were wearing it, your body)
Shorter swords, if thrusted, can pentrate the shirt. Sometimes surprisingly easily. A swing is likely to glance off the mail, with the force behind the blow akin to that of a metal pipe or baseball bat.
The Katana was the only sword I have seen actually "cut" through the chainmail. Enough force was focused at the point of impact that it mangled rings at it cut into the balsa wood. Granted, the wielder of the Katana was one of my martial arts instructors... So someone with less training would probably not do as much.
The spear thrusted through almost every time. Chainmail has little protection against thin pointy things. The further the point of a weapon can travel through the mesh of chainmail before being impeeded by the rings; the deeper the penetration into the body and the less force it takes to spread the links apart.
And whatever you do, never believe chainmail will offer any protection against a bullet. One word - Shrapnel
So to answer you question with a short version -
If you hit me full force with the blade of a halberd in the ribcage, you would probably break the ribs that you hit, maybe drive one of them into a lung. You would probably knock me back and to the ground very hurt, and if the ribs you broke were on my weapon side, most likely defenseless. But I would probably still be in one piece
In the gut, You would drive the wind out of me, knock me back and probably cause some internal beleeding if you hit hard enough. There would be a big bruise but the skin would most likely be uncut. If you want to get an idea of how it would feel, get 6-8 foot staff with a 1x1" strip of wood nailed onto the side of the staff (like a blade) and have a friend swing it as hard as he can into your unprotected gut.
In the arm. Arm is broken, simple as that.
Man that ended up being a HUGE post.
agentdalecooper
Wanderer
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
nope I don't do chainmail, I do alot of home decor stuff and custom blade work
nope I don't do chainmail, I do alot of home decor stuff and custom blade work
agentdalecooper
Wanderer
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
the short answer to that is yes I make balanced swords. the long answer involves sword types, functions, etc
for example a longseax is going to be very differently balanced vs a kukri vs a gladius vs a enap vs a 15th century longsword.
the balance point on a sword is in direct relation to its form which is in direct relation to its function. theres a couple good books out there on the subject, one in particular springs to mind
The Archaeology of Weapons by Ewart Oakeshott
that will give you a good understanding of the evolution of many major weapon types both asiatic and european without all the BS hype that often surrounds the topic.
the short answer to that is yes I make balanced swords. the long answer involves sword types, functions, etc
for example a longseax is going to be very differently balanced vs a kukri vs a gladius vs a enap vs a 15th century longsword.
the balance point on a sword is in direct relation to its form which is in direct relation to its function. theres a couple good books out there on the subject, one in particular springs to mind
The Archaeology of Weapons by Ewart Oakeshott
that will give you a good understanding of the evolution of many major weapon types both asiatic and european without all the BS hype that often surrounds the topic.
Rekindle48
Wanderer
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
thats what you learn with 120.1black smithing.
thats what you learn with 120.1black smithing.
agentdalecooper
Wanderer
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
yep the gladius was arguably the worlds most effective killing tool until Hiram Maxim invented the machine gun.
yep the gladius was arguably the worlds most effective killing tool until Hiram Maxim invented the machine gun.
Amazing Hector
Sorceror
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
Are you implying that the gladius possesses more raw murderize power than the humble machine gun?
If so, then let me inform you, as an accredited expert in machinegunology, that your opinion is bullshit.
Are you implying that the gladius possesses more raw murderize power than the humble machine gun?
If so, then let me inform you, as an accredited expert in machinegunology, that your opinion is bullshit.
Classictbh
Wanderer
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
Not really.
Black smithy is just use ful for bods.
Not really.
Black smithy is just use ful for bods.
Sam-hybrid
Knight
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
kidding? ive played a blacksmith for i duno 4 years nd ive made millions and millions, pritty much more money than i could ever need and mostly from selling ignots
kidding? ive played a blacksmith for i duno 4 years nd ive made millions and millions, pritty much more money than i could ever need and mostly from selling ignots
Amazing Hector
Sorceror
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
So it would be fair to say that you made considerably more money off of mining then smithing, yes?
Sam-hybrid;1848857 said:
So it would be fair to say that you made considerably more money off of mining then smithing, yes?
Sam-hybrid
Knight
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
ye defo man, ill get a link to were i used to mine, ill take ss of uoam
Amazing Hector;1848961 said:
ye defo man, ill get a link to were i used to mine, ill take ss of uoam
Sam-hybrid
Knight
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
ye defo, plus were i mined, never got hassle, there was always ore of all kinds, it was great.
kdivers;1848909 said:
ye defo, plus were i mined, never got hassle, there was always ore of all kinds, it was great.
LongustheEwok
Wanderer
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
I see BS as kind of a means to an end. It may not be very profitable initially, but once I get BOD reward runic hammers I start making armor until I get a mostly complete LRC set. This is profitable to me, because I can then level Magery and various other reagent consuming skills with virtually no downtime.
I see BS as kind of a means to an end. It may not be very profitable initially, but once I get BOD reward runic hammers I start making armor until I get a mostly complete LRC set. This is profitable to me, because I can then level Magery and various other reagent consuming skills with virtually no downtime.
lastmarine
Sorceror
Re: blacksmithing worth it?
Its worth something you like it~
Its worth something you like it~