Publish 78 - 10/13/2007

[Countessa]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

...At least I had ONE



You do have a point here and I echo your thanks to the developers in general. As for calling me a louse...yer a village idiot.

FYI - The dungeons are empty. I ran through Shame...top to bottom...the other night, and with the exception of one guy in Gazers, it was empty. Then I ran through Deceit, top to bottom, and with the exception of a guy banging on the mummies (was that you?) on level 1, it was empty.

My point is that loot should be increased to draw more people and stimulate pvp. I don't care how much someone can make in an hour (the economy is a non-issue to me). I care that people are drawn away from poker tables and bank-sitting in Brit & Del. Adding good loot to Elementals and Liches would do this.

There's an element of risk for farming in a dungeon, and the relative reward isn't there. I think at any given time, there are more people farming green thorns in fields and doing escorts on multiple accounts than the total number of people in all of the dungeons. It's risk vs reward...not just loot per number of hits. I'm not surprised you don't understand this.

As for the recent changes, some of the tweaks are cool. But the BOD changes are a total nerf for many of us. I hope you enjoy your 1337 weapon LBODs.

I have never seen someone who thinks they know so much. I'm terribly sorry they didn't adopt your fishing idea, but get over it. I've seen thread after thread by you slamming staff and their work, always with a constant plug for your fishing suggestion. Developers and staff in general can make errors, but I am positive they understand the shard and its economics better than you.

And fyi, the dungeons are not dead. I see people in them all the time.

 

[Sir Kenga]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

What was changed in account system btw? =)

 

[MarcusO]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

I have never seen someone who thinks they know so much. I'm terribly sorry they didn't adopt your fishing idea, but get over it. I've seen thread after thread by you slamming staff and their work, always with a constant plug for your fishing suggestion. Developers and staff in general can make errors, but I am positive they understand the shard and its economics better than you.

And fyi, the dungeons are not dead. I see people in them all the time.

Don't get started with me again.

Why am I not allowed to provide my feedback when I think a change is made for the worse? It's the only way they know. I'm not trying to be mean-spirited...it's just an honest opinion.

As for what I know, after playing this game for 8+ years, and modifying and running my own UO server for my kids, I do know quite a bit.

Go back to your RP Islands already. There's almost as many people there as are in the empty dungeons.

 

[Countessa]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

Don't get started with me again.

Why am I not allowed to provide my feedback when I think a change is made for the worse? It's the only way they know. I'm not trying to be mean-spirited...it's just an honest opinion.

As for what I know, after playing this game for 8+ years, and modifying and running my own UO server for my kids, I do know quite a bit.

Go back to your RP Islands already. There's almost as many people there as are in the empty dungeons.

It is not that you share your opinion. It's that you think you know more than the people running the server. Their server, with people, not yours, for your kids. And you can't stop plugging your fishing idea. Get over it. Really

btw I'm not a roleplayer and the dungeons are not empty.

 

[MarcusO]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

It is not that you share your opinion. It's that you think you know more than the people running the server. Their server, with people, not yours, for your kids. And you can't stop plugging your fishing idea. Get over it. Really.

I definitely don't think I know more about RunUO than the folks running this server. I just don't agree with many of the changes (stam loss, loot nerf and now BOD nerf). But it's Ryan's server and he can do what he wants. I recognize and appreciate that their hard work keeps UOG up and alive. But I don't see the point in saying: "Wow! Great changes!" when I don't feel that way. I don't know why you interpret my opinions as "knowing more". I just think the dev staff wants (and needs) to know how the users feel. You're just too much of an ass-kisser to honestly have an opinion about the changes. I'm sure you love chugging red pots all the time, while filling weapon LBODs.

And you can't stop plugging your fishing idea. Get over it. Really

I could really care less if they used my fishing system or not. It's just an example of what could be done to improve fishing. FYI - I've turned my fisherman into a Smith for BODs, mostly because the seas are so boring. (again, this is an opinion...not an all knowing statement...but I know many share my opinion).

btw I'm not a roleplayer and the dungeons are not empty.

I want to be clear here. I think the staff have done a pretty good job fixing the spawns. Perhaps I need to mix more positive sunshine with my criticisms to get past your staff-protection filter. But the loot is way too low (for me and for many others) on many monsters (Lichs, Eles,...). Tonight I'll do a dungeon run-through and count the people farming just to prove how wrong (and unknowing) you are.

You really should be a RPer.

 

[Countessa]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

I definitely don't think I know more about RunUO than the folks running this server. I just don't agree with many of the changes (stam loss, loot nerf and now BOD nerf). But it's Ryan's server and he can do what he wants. I recognize and appreciate that their hard work keeps UOG up and alive. But I don't see the point in saying: "Wow! Great changes!" when I don't feel that way. I don't know why you interpret my opinions as "knowing more". I just think the dev staff wants (and needs) to know how the users feel. You're just too much of an ass-kisser to honestly have an opinion about the changes. I'm sure you love chugging red pots all the time, while filling weapon LBODs.



I could really care less if they used my fishing system or not. It's just an example of what could be done to improve fishing. FYI - I've turned my fisherman into a Smith for BODs, mostly because the seas are so boring. (again, this is an opinion...not an all knowing statement...but I know many share my opinion).



I want to be clear here. I think the staff have done a pretty good job fixing the spawns. Perhaps I need to mix more positive sunshine with my criticisms to get past your staff-protection filter. But the loot is way too low (for me and for many others) on many monsters (Lichs, Eles,...). Tonight I'll do a dungeon run-through and count the people farming just to prove how wrong (and unknowing) you are.

You really should be a RPer.

You are so full of it. Your posts do nothing but tell staff what they (supposedly) are doing wrong and what they should be spending their time on.
My posts to you have nothing to do with ass kissing. I actually appreciate the work put into the server. Real appreciation, not the brand you share.
Now you can reply about how I have it all wrong and you only want to share your valuable opinion, how it's your right as a player and how you do appreciate it all.

 

[kalo]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

MarcusO, I second that.

 

[MarcusO]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

Now you can reply about how I have it all wrong and you only want to share your valuable opinion, how it's your right as a player and how you do appreciate it all.

Yep. But I don't think it's my "right" as a player, I think it's a "duty" to share honest opinions to help staff improve the server. That's how other server's I've played on operated. Your opinions are useless: "Wow, golly-gee. I love all your changes...especially the 1337 Runic Sewing Kits!"

I don't mind that you disagree with my opinions, but I do mind when you get all High-and-Mighty and try to tell me not to share my opinions. Do you live in a communist country?

FYI - I just did the run-through (top to bottom) of the following:
Shame - 2 people
Deceit - 0 people
Wrong - 0 people

Does this seem like dungeons (and monster loot) are attracting folks? In Deceit I got caught between two liches, went through ~30 regs (10 spells x 3), almost died once, all for 160x2=320 in loot. It just doesn't pay IMO...oops...I'm not allowed to provide any feedback according to your rules!

 

[Countessa]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

Yep. But I don't think it's my "right" as a player, I think it's a "duty" to share honest opinions to help staff improve the server. That's how other server's I've played on operated. Your opinions are useless: "Wow, golly-gee. I love all your changes...especially the 1337 Runic Sewing Kits!"

You know nothing about my opinions. Just because I do not come to complain on the forums, does not mean I like everything on the server. You don't share an honest opinion, you share a rude one.
I believe there are better ways to improve the server.

I don't mind that you disagree with my opinions, but I do mind when you get all High-and-Mighty and try to tell me not to share my opinions. Do you live in a communist country?

I don't mind when you share your opinions but I do mind when you act like you know more than the staff running the server. Or insult the time they have spent on a project just because you don't like it.

FYI - I just did the run-through (top to bottom) of the following:
Shame - 2 people
Deceit - 0 people
Wrong - 0 people

Does this seem like dungeons (and monster loot) are attracting folks? In Deceit I got caught between two liches, went through ~30 regs (10 spells x 3), almost died once, all for 160x2=320 in loot. It just doesn't pay IMO...oops...I'm not allowed to provide any feedback according to your rules!

Try actually spending time in the dungeons to see people. I've been spending time in the dungeons and I see players all the time, both those hunting and those hunting the hunters.

 

[MarcusO]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

My Recent Evening Data:
...a run-through (top to bottom) of the following:

Shame - 2 people
Deceit - 0 people
Wrong - 0 people

Does this seem like dungeons (and monster loot) are attracting folks? In Deceit I got caught between two liches, went through ~30 regs (10 spells x 3), almost died once, all for 160x2=320 in loot. It just doesn't pay IMO. I recommend staff beef the loot to attract players to dungeons to stimulate pvp.

Try actually spending time in the dungeons to see people. I've been spending time in the dungeons and I see players all the time, both those hunting and those hunting the hunters.

Your response is nothing but a useless, pointless High-and-Mighty opinion with no data to support it. How many people do you see "all the time"? I think you're full of shit.

You think I'm posting my opinions just to flame the staff. Nothing could be further from the truth. You just don't get it. I used to enjoy farming liches, and fighting the reds that came to try and kill the farmers in Deceit. Heck, I used to get on my red when blues were farming my fav liches. That's all gone now, and nothing's replaced it. So my opinion that the lich-loot-nerf was a bad change is based on my experience. Your opinion is based on ass-kissing staff and absolutely no supportable data. Get over yourself, or better yet go back to whatever communist utopia you came from.

 

[dakkon10]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

Ok, not trying to side or argue with anyone.
I won't say that dungeons are empty and completely dead...but I don't have the urge to go dungeon crawling because the loot has been dropped to the point where i don't find it enticing.
There are a few spots where monsters still drop loot that is worth killing for, but they've also become patrolled by PKs, and thats part of the game.
As far as the BOD changes....yes they've made some rewards more common and thus lowering their value..but in all reality, whats the difference between a brown bear rug and polar bear rug other than their color? CBDs.....people buy and sell them all the time like they're crack, so by throwing in some more it's just making them cheaper..not THAT big a deal anyway. And i'm sure that adding the Runic sewing kits that do nothing so far, was either a mistake to have them do nothing, or a mistake having added them in all together(meaning he may not have intended for them to be given as rewards).
Time will tell

 

[MarcusO]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

Ok, not trying to side or argue with anyone.
I won't say that dungeons are empty and completely dead...but I don't have the urge to go dungeon crawling because the loot has been dropped to the point where i don't find it enticing.
There are a few spots where monsters still drop loot that is worth killing for, but they've also become patrolled by PKs, and thats part of the game.
As far as the BOD changes....yes they've made some rewards more common and thus lowering their value..but in all reality, whats the difference between a brown bear rug and polar bear rug other than their color? CBDs.....people buy and sell them all the time like they're crack, so by throwing in some more it's just making them cheaper..not THAT big a deal anyway. And i'm sure that adding the Runic sewing kits that do nothing so far, was either a mistake to have them do nothing, or a mistake having added them in all together(meaning he may not have intended for them to be given as rewards).
Time will tell

All valid opinions. Thanks for chiming in.

I noted that you addressed the changes in Tailor BODs. I pretty much just do Smith BODs now, and they've been nerfed. What used to give 120 PS, gives 115....what used to give Aggy Hammer or +60 ASH, now gives (????) or +30 ASH. I paid 450K for an SBOD to get an Aggy or +60, and I got a +30 worth ~200K. It's buyer-beware right now.

 

[TheTalentedMrZing]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

modifying and running my own UO server for my kids, I do know quite a bit.

Take your kids to the park and play some catch with them or something. Don't let them sit in front of the computer playing ANY server/game.

Everyone is painfully aware of how you turned out because of it.

God complex anyone?

 

[MarcusO]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

Take your kids to the park and play some catch with them or something. Don't let them sit in front of the computer playing ANY server/game.

Everyone is painfully aware of how you turned out because of it.

God complex anyone?

You're a complete idiot. You know absolutely nothing about my family...so STFU. Your gene pool obviously was diluted long ago with some rodent genes.

 

[TheTalentedMrZing]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

You're a complete idiot. You know absolutely nothing about my family...so STFU. Your gene pool obviously was diluted long ago with some rodent genes.

I'm sure your gene pool could use a little more chlorine.

Note: When insulting other people try to avoid using a word in a sentence more than once. It shows lack of creativity and/or intelligence as well as completely destroying any notion of a baser grasp of the fine art (archaic and useless, obvious) of speaking.

 

[nappaca]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

all i can say is wow and people are mean

 

[Countessa]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

My Recent Evening Data:
...a run-through (top to bottom) of the following:

Shame - 2 people
Deceit - 0 people
Wrong - 0 people

Does this seem like dungeons (and monster loot) are attracting folks? In Deceit I got caught between two liches, went through ~30 regs (10 spells x 3), almost died once, all for 160x2=320 in loot. It just doesn't pay IMO. I recommend staff beef the loot to attract players to dungeons to stimulate pvp.



Your response is nothing but a useless, pointless High-and-Mighty opinion with no data to support it. How many people do you see "all the time"? I think you're full of shit.

Likewise.

When I'm in a dungeon I always see players. Maybe they just don't like you.

You think I'm posting my opinions just to flame the staff. Nothing could be further from the truth. You just don't get it. I used to enjoy farming liches, and fighting the reds that came to try and kill the farmers in Deceit. Heck, I used to get on my red when blues were farming my fav liches. That's all gone now, and nothing's replaced it. So my opinion that the lich-loot-nerf was a bad change is based on my experience. Your opinion is based on ass-kissing staff and absolutely no supportable data. Get over yourself, or better yet go back to whatever communist utopia you came from.

I like how your opinion is based on fact but mine is based on ass-kissing. Yours is experience and mine has no supportable data. You know nothing about me or which characters I play. Get over myself?? Pot, kettle?
I'm done with you once again. Obviously you have missed my point even though it was dangled right in front of you. Maybe you'll go back and reread your posts and realize what I have been trying to tell you.

 

[Mara]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

I don't know. I've spent a lot of time in the dungeons, and I just don't see it. There seems to be only two things going on in dungeons. High level tamers popping in for a quick kill. And pkers hunting those high level tamers. Everyone else learns really fast that the dungeons are a pretty dangerous place to be. Yeah, there are some exceptions, but it's pretty rare. For a shard that supposedly has 1000 people online, there can't be more than 10-30 total players in all dungeons at any given time (and that is probably being generous). The only one I really see is Destard, which seems to be a place where people like to PVP with monsters around at the same time.

Everything else on the shard seems to sort of revolve around a handful of PVP spots which everybody recalls back and forth to looking to hop in on a gank. Or really to get whatever action they can, however they can. Shard seems to have gotten pretty one-dimensional lately.

I know Marcus seems to have come across as a little austere, but hey. Anytime you are the one that loses when changes are made, you aren't going to be happy. That guy was one of the few people that was selling BOD rewards like crazy for reasonable prices. Changes that only hurt a portion of the playerbase are bound to make some people pretty unhappy. I remember when they nerfed thieves, and those guys weren't too happy at all. Everyone else was quite glad with the changes because it made the game easier for them.

 

[v'room]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

Hamsterdance.com ALWAYS used to cheer me up, though...

*agree*

 

[TheTalentedMrZing]

Re: Update - 10/13/2007

I recommend staff beef the loot to attract players to dungeons to stimulate pvp.

The people who are in dungeons now are quite fine with the loot and the pvp.

The people you should be attracting are the ones that don't want the pvp aspects to increase.

If you up'd the loot on all monsters, yeah, you might get 1 or 2 pvm guilds to go hunting in groups or whatever, and they'll make a little loot. But you'll just be making a ton more spots for tamers to recall in and kill spawn and recall out. Right now all those tamers hunt in maybe 10-15 spots on entire server. If you opened up loot to more monsters this would thin them and you'd see even less. Yeah, it's variety, but it ain't that big of a deal.

As for your precious liches, since that's REALLY all you've been raving about, I don't see 200+ gold justified on a monster I can kill with 3 hits with a force silver weapon. Yeah he has some spells, and i'm sorry if you burn through regs and can't heal as well on your pvm mage (that's a joke, right?), but any dexer with a heal pot and bandages can kill one in a seconds.

Only difference between an ettin and a lich is the lich hits back harder. Still easy to kill, same loot +wands on lich.

If you hunted something else you'd be happy i'm sure. Oh wait, everything else requires more damage to kill and more effort. You and everyone else don't want to get your hands dirty or break a sweat, so you don't deserve the loot.

Manage all four Ogre Lords in despise for an hour straight, see how much loot you get. Oh, that's right, alot. Cause it ain't easy. Kill something with 3 swings or 4 spells and compare loot. You'll find the easier kill has the lowest loot.


Here's an idea to please Marcus0, let's change ALL spawn, animals, monsters, dungeon bosses... to liches. Let them drop their 600 gold plus items. Obviously that would save pvm and ecourage all the pvp the people who tried to pvm traditionally made tamers to avoid while still making a profit.


Also, on a last note. Increased loot on lich's in dungeons or the yew/brit overland spawn would not help much to the traditional pvmer, you know, the guy you are SO worried about. And why? Cause they'd still get PKed and make a tamer and go hunt something else with their scaled cannon companions like everyone else.


Stop asking for so much, for so little effort. You already got increased skill gain, a free server, and a hard working staff.

Be content. I don't care if you're happy, but don't try to bring anyone else down with you.

Mr. Moody McMoodypants.