[SVN 672] Honour Virtue Bugs

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

what is seeker and follower then? does it double every level?
seeker 5?
follower 10?
then knight is confirmed to be 20

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

what is seeker and follower then? does it double every level?
seeker 5?
follower 10?
then knight is confirmed to be 20

I think we need to hold off on this part of this fix 20 minutes can't be confirmed

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

can i get an image of the gump needed for honoring yourself?

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

gathered from past notes about killing ettins for the first dot:
honorable - 13 kills

stepping -16 kills (20% less honor) ill assume poison also falls into this class

first hit by player - 26 kills (50% less honor)

first hit by pet - 36 kills (50% from first hit) + (30% less for pet)

just working on a system for the gains, trying to find some logic in the way it raises

at 10000 honor...
orge lord - gives 1 dot after 6 kills (meeting a 200 minimum with variable levels of honorable combat)
dot 2 - 50 kills
dot 3 - 111 kills

it doesnt make sense. anyone confirm this?
does it increase faster if you sacrifice your fame?

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

A few things using provocation to gain in honor:

15 ettin kills to get 1 dot (this will need to be done again I want to double check this)

You can't embrace honor (invoke it on yourself) until you are Seeker of Honor which is 10 complete dots the 1st full path.
If you try before you have reached Seeker you get a message saying
You don't have enough honor to do that
Which if you tried to during a time that you honored a creature breaks that honor with the creature please see below


Embracing honor at Seeker (10 dots) will cost you 1 dot and the duration is 30 seconds ( I will double check this once I have more time )

If I honor creature A and provoke creature A onto creature B and creature A dies I will not gain in honor

If I honor creature A and provoke creature B onto creature A and creature A dies I will gain in honor

I can break my honor on a creature by opening the gump and double clicking the chalice and as soon as I have the targetting circle whether I use it or cancel it I have broken my honor on the previous creature

Also the image of the gump needed to honor yourself

**Please note all done on osi TC not a production shard things can be different**

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

ill have to have a look to see if my honor fix for pets works for bards then.
thanks for that btw

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

Embracing Honor at the first available time will last 30 seconds and cost you 1 dot dropping you from Seeker

Is there a cool down timer before I can use it again and how long is the time between uses needs to be answered

Anyway 1 dot 30 seconds at the beginning of Seeker (10 dots) verified

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

i just done my own osi tests and got very different results than what the ettin results look like. I was fighting daemons with a samuraiand got
first level
1 2 kills
2 2 kills
3 3 kills (variance by honor requirements)
4 2 kills
5 3 kills
6 2 kills
7 3 kills
8 3 kills
9 3 kills
10 3 kills

second level
1 4 kills
2 4 kills
3 5 kills
4 5 kills


then i died with a paragon, so i stopped. but these results are completly different than the ettin ones. of course they have higher fame, but it doesnt increase on a stupid scale.

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

what i just noticed that is odd about this is, it may not actually be increasing the honor at all!
each dot of the first level is worth 400 (seeker 4000)
each dot of the second level is worth 600 (follower 10000)( - 4000 for seeker)

seeker is giving us between 133-200+ per kill 400/3 and 400/2
follower is giving us between 120-150 per kill 600/5 and 600/4

daemon has 15000 fame. 1/100 of this is 150. (perhaps the stand amount) with the enemy having first his this would increase to 240( with the suggested 60% increase) which fits the curve.

i may test the ettin results myself. I dont see how they can be accurate.

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

bama, i think it was me not following the first hit rule.

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

bama, i think it was me not following the first hit rule.

I tried doing it the warrior way (max honor points) but as I was doing it I noticed I had some RPD on and I was reflecting back before I was getting hit.I don't think they fixed that yet on osi.Another thing I noticed was even if I unequipped my weapon and remained in peace mode when the ettin missed hitting me I ended up slapping at it for 1 or 2 damage totally screwing up the data.It just made me go grrrrrrrr and made me stop doing it

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

daemon has 15000 fame. 1/100 of this is 150. (perhaps the stand amount) with the enemy having first his this would increase to 240( with the suggested 60% increase) which fits the curve.

Question:What happens when trying to gain honor in Fel? Fame in Felucca is higher.
A daemon in Fel will give more fame and karma than 1 in the other facets
I'm asking because of the fame tie in to honor gain.

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

how much more?
I have just been testing on daemons and ettins again.
with 0 fame a daemon gives you exactly 150 fame, this decreases as your fame increases.
after 3000 you dont gain fame on ettins (fame), but gain 2-3 off earth elementals(3500 fame)

My theory

formula for fame must be monsterfame-playerfame/100
then honor could be based off this, with a minimum honor gain of 1. This way you still recieve honor while you kill ettins when you do not gain fame.
You must sacrifice your fame in order to get higher gains.

TC has just gone down, will test this in a minute

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

TC just went down for maintenance I hope to be still alive when it comes back up
I went to retest how many ettin kills (using provocation) I need to get 1 dot in honor
So far 13 ettin kills no dot yet

I showed in an earlier post that different methods of killing give different amounts of fame/karma
Now 26 ettin kills (13 with honor gaining)

Here are the fame/karma numbers
39-39
77-77
115-115
153-153 *big difference in amounts after 4 provocation kills that I showed in the earlier post*
**also in Fel the karma equaled the fame for the first 4 unlike the earlier Tram post**
190-191
264-264*** not a typo
301-301
337-337
373-373
408-409****not a typo
443-443
477-478 ***** watch the following sequence
511-512
545-546
578-580
611-613
644-646
677-678
709-710
741-742
773-773******WTH
804-804
835-835
866-866
896-896
926-926.......server down

To answer the how much more a lot more. 30% more?

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

A few things using provocation to gain in honor:

15 ettin kills to get 1 dot (this will need to be done again I want to double check this)

**Please note all done on osi TC not a production shard things can be different**

17 ettin kills in Fel to get 1 dot using provocation
I will do this again because I have 2 different numbers
32 ettin kills total fame/karma
1184-1185
All kills were done through provocation

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

how much more?

Starting with 0 fame and karma killing ettins in Trammel using provocation
Fame-Karma
30-30
59-60
88-90
117-119

Starting with 0 fame and karma killing ettins in Felucca using provocation
Fame-Karma
39-39
77-77
115-115
153-153

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

good stuff. im testing them myself at the moment. I am thinking with a warrior, the honor given is actually the same as the fame. just started a fresh, killed using honor, when my fame hit 500 i got 1 point ( i didnt honor 3 creatures)

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

using an archer, i just killed 17 ettins to get the first dot.
(didnt move, but i always took the first hit)
fame numbers are:
30
60
90
119
148
176
204
232
259
286
313
340
367
393
419 (was hoping it would gain here)
445
470 (gained it here)

when i said in a previous post letting the enemy hit first gives you 60% more, maybe its when the rules are followed completely.

15% less when taking the first hit from the fame level.

Anyway. im going to compile a fix for what is working.

 

[Bama]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

using an archer, i just killed 17 ettins to get the first dot.
(didnt move, but i always took the first hit)
fame numbers are:
30
60
90
119

Your archer is gaining fame the same as my dexxer was gaining in the post with the screen shots

Also the archer gained in honor after 17 honor kills like the provo bard

I wish I had better math skills to help you

 

[adverserath]

Re: [IN DEVELOPMENT] Honour Virtue Bugs

i didnt let the archer walk around. the only honor rule i broke was the first hit rule. Could try this again with a mage, let the monsters have first hit, then FS them. I reckon it will gain in 15 kills, maybe less.
then we need to try a tamer.