4/6 chiv dexxer is it still viable

[Whatever98]

Center of the suit is easy to get:
RBC
Fey Legs
Mace and Shield Glasses
Grips
Totem of the Void

Harder parts are:
gladi (you can ues mempho in place for farming)
quiver of infinity
CC
sash
decent hci/dci/fc shield

then you have free weapon hand, jewels, and arms.
you need fire, poison, mr, lmc, and +mana(optional) on arms, only really the resists and lmc are super important, mr is for pvp
and on jewels you need fc, dci, hci, 25 di, and to finish off the lmc and dex up to 140

but you still have robe, boots, weapon slot, and earrings free, and you end up with:

45 dci
45 hci
100 di
10 ssi
25 HLD
3 FC
70/70/70/70/70*
36+ lmc
7 mana regen
+18 mana
+10 str
+20 dex
+13 int
+26 hp
Meddable

with the weapon free, and you can pick whatever you want on the weapon mods, and whichever weapon skill you want, but i balance to have katana and not need ssi on wep

this is also after divine fury, so you dont lose any dci for refilling your mana bar, you just have to remember to keep it on is all (lol)
loler is complaining i have 45 dci, and 120 parry, i actually have 65 dci without df on, and hld for when they have nice dci. 100 di is the pvp cap, and that is with 25% di on 1 jewel. nothing is wasted.

but you really need a shield to make up the HCI, DCI, and FC. if you're gonna pvp you really need FC on the wep to bump it to 4, and you really need mana leech on the wep too, tho it's nerfed a lot in pvp. then cos you dont have bushido you need to double strike really to have decent damage (AI in pvp), but that works with the lmc very well, slayer works as well, but you really do need to use some cumulative damage to get decent dps.

what i found in the pvp is not to try and do decent damage straight out, but to just wait for an opening, cos you cant get the mana back quick enough (although 2 extra mr now), and you really need hld on them to make the mana count.. still it does need more testing

just like, in das script, set urself a macro to eat an enchanted apple if you all fucked up and already casting something else lol, and to make sure you're always bandaging if you're damaged, will be invincibru

 

[crackhead]

4/6 is the best ever and you want to buy shields.

 

[Whatever98]

very similar to miasma or a paragon balron. greater dragons are still a lot more dangerous.

you can tell i dont use potions a lot.. but see, i shouldn't really be spamming, and should only be using a second double strike if i get the mana leech back to full.. then i'd always have the mana to heal straight away. i just spam cos i get lazy and you can do it without worrying 99% of the time. have enough mana to do 2 special moves in a row without needing any leech at all, but i really shouldn't be using that all the time if i might actually need the mana

there's a few close calls like, but the point is you can recover from them quickly

 

[Tanya]

very similar to miasma or a paragon balron. greater dragons are still a lot more dangerous.

you can tell i dont use potions a lot.. but see, i shouldn't really be spamming, and should only be using a second double strike if i get the mana leech back to full.. then i'd always have the mana to heal straight away. i just spam cos i get lazy and you can do it without worrying 99% of the time. have enough mana to do 2 special moves in a row without needing any leech at all, but i really shouldn't be using that all the time if i might actually need the mana

there's a few close calls like, but the point is you can recover from them quickly

Nice, good fight!

 

[Loler]

arm suck/ ring suck/brace suck/weapon suck. only thing in that entire suit thats not an arty and worth something is the shield and only because you cant craft or loot them anymore.

 

[Whatever98]

arm suck/ ring suck/brace suck/weapon suck. only thing in that entire suit thats not an arty and worth something is the shield and only because you cant craft or loot them anymore.

they're just what you need jackass

 

[Tanya]

But again, why work so hard? Look at the time difference:
It took you 12 min to take down 3 Putrefiers, with a demon slayer weapon.
I did 4 of them without slayer in 8 min, with slayer will be 4-5 min maybe
(I dont have good slayer, so use just best non-slayer that I have).
I don't know man... i'm just trying to optimize time and not to run so much...

 

[Dexter-LoM]

So 7 pages of.....

The main op of this thread asked a simple question. He enjoyed playing 4/6 in the past and was wondering if it was still a viable template.

The answer was a simple yes.

Then @Whatever98 mentioned his template that is almost a 4/6 and how he enjoys playing it.

We also have a few that tried to say that the best template is a sampire or whammy. Nothing even near a 4/6 template.

What trully makes me laugh his @Loler who brings nothing to the table apart that he likes playing a cookie cutter template and ask for duels and trash someone suit like he even matters.

So we all learned that
@Whatever98 likes playing outside the box.
That a 4/6 is still a viable template
That a whammy or sampire will out damage a 4/6 pally but that it is only good for pvm.

We also learned that @Loler rather play his cookie template mage and that he has a hard on for @Whatever98 .





Oh and one last thing Loler before replying and trying to prove yourself.
The answer is no I don't need to duel bots in pits or field to know how great your pvp scripts are. I'll just keep enjoying watching your little mining macro on my back porch. Lol

 

[Bama]

So 7 pages of.....

Thank you for the Reader's Digest version Frosty

So we all learned that

I learned nothing most of this I knew

 

[royal kapero2]

No one is better than another.

Even if someone disliked my last video, I will be still enjoying this game and present my solo adventures with delight.

 

[Dexter-LoM]

Thank you for the Reader's Digest version Frosty






I learned nothing most of this I knew

Oh it was my pleasure. But tbh its to help myself. Am not getting any younger and sometimes I forget what we were talking about and this will help me with the future troll post cause we all know after 7 pages of beating a dead horse the troll post gotta start soon.

 

[Whatever98]

you can play the same suit and template with 4/6, you just need to get 1/3 rings and brac instead of just 1/0, but you have to drop something else off them... well you dont, but you need the last bit of the dex and lmc to hit the caps of 140 and 36, so its a stretch to get 3fcr on there too, orne maybe but then you suffer on hci/dci..
it's up to people what they go for tbh, but you can def play this suit and these skills with 4/6..

i just dont think it's as good is all if you have to drop other things to get the 1/3's.

can i ask then, what is the difference on a 4/6 that works, from my build i mean?

 

[silvertiger]

Firstly, I lied. I'm back.

So 7 pages of.....


My lack of understanding what is being said.

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this was my favorite Template back in they day can you do it here

even if u did I would still highly recommend at least running 50 bushido. does not affect parry with shield chance, and you get to use the Honor virtue, as well as confidence and lightning strike

i'll give it a bash one of these days dude, i am still really skeptical tho.. i'll give my reasons:

This is where you highjacked the thread making it be about you vs Bushido and necro.

You want to point fingers at Indy for giving honest advice, which is Bushido hurts only a shielded character with parry

bushido doesnt hurt a shield character only a char with parry. i use shields on my bush dexxer all the time with no negatives. cause i have no parry.

, while you highjacked this poor guys thread.

I hope he at least learned something.

@op 4/6 chiv ninja temp is very viable. I hope you have fun playing it on demise. If you want to join my guild I'll be happy to login and create it.

Yes, it may have been said that sampire and whammy are the best pvm characters, but that was only after advice was given to supplement a 4/6 chiv character, that wound up being 4/6 chiv ninja(love it!)

So you are either not reading what is said, with understanding, or you're trying to shift the blame off of whatever for 7 pages of useless crap of why his 4/6 chiv warrior is the only character on the shard that isn't cheating (don't take that literally, there may be a few others he considers not cheating. )
@Loler machine, simply asked wutevuh to prove his template was better in PvP, after wutevuh bragged he could wipe the loler mechanic(wuh , it's changing.)

So in summary, op is answered by Indika as a "yes, but you could add bush as well." Stupidevuh hijacked the thread, various people fed his hijacking, including myself. On page 3/4 we realized the hijack. Stupidever, continues to hijack the thread. Loler mechanical beast says that he uses a similar template and it's effective. Hijackever proceeds to attack the next successful player in the thread. 7 pages of useless crap! Have nice day!(in the voice of fpsrussia)

 

[Whatever98]

and now he has 7 pages of information to consider instead of 3 replies of "yes", "no", and "use bushido"..
none of which comments are particularly useful

dont think it's that bad really, if you read the thread you pretty much understand how it all works now dont you?
sorry for there being gameplay within this class (which is exactly the same as the difference between samp, whammy, etc)

and yeah the ninja option sounds cool

he can use this suit to build whatever warrior he wants, but it cant have bushido, and doesn't need bushido. cast healer is not leech healer. all i did was tell him a kickass suit and my preference for the strongest optional fittings combo. but 4/6 is the exact same build, just with different jewelry.

if you want to drop bandages then you can, but you will lose the synergy with the DI from anatomy, you will lose the synergy with 140 dex and only needing 10 ssi, so you might as well dump some dex and get more mana, but mana regen will still be a big problem, and getting hit while casting will be a problem. the biggest benefit of having the fcr is actually being able to get all your buffs on very quickly

also i think i did make a slight mistake, one of the 100% DIs is from skills i think. tbh i dont like the sampire build itself personally, i do like how well indika has synergized it tho. personally i think his guy is effectively the sampire equivalent of what my guy is to shield warriors - they're both synergy builds. just pisses me off that sampire is OP lol - which you cannot fkin deny it is

still, if you can get the gear, shield warrior is viable, it's about as hard as a decent sampire variant/non-synergy for pvm; but can pvp as well. playing a variant/non-synergy shield warrior will specialize you one way or another (pvp/pvm).

(tbh i assumed there would be some balancing on this issue, because i felt for a long time it wasn't balanced, and like.. i hate to have an appeal to authority, but my opinion is a pretty good one cos i actually have like a bachelors of science degree in computer and video games design... but the thing is, it actually is balanced, once you get it kitted to a top level, and you can see the options and stuff, it's different yeah, but it's definitely not weak. the fact that sampire cant pvp is a major factor in this, i just really feel the class does not get the attention it should because everyone is building characters for a single purpose.. i mean that's not a bad thing tho.. cos then everyone has to play more to get more items, etc. i still think perfection needs a nerf, but considering the no pvp side.. i dunno, just be nice to see some on the field and get some old skool warrior play on the go ^^)

sorry for saying sampire is cheating, its not really, i really dont think they intended it to be as good as it is, but they decided to keep it as a pvm specialist build, and fair enough. you're just playing the game rules at the end of the day, this is more my beef with the UO designers than anyone else lol

 

[Whatever98]

this is really not a new topic for me
http://www.uogamers.com/community/index.php?threads/473377/#post-3681616

 

[Dexter-LoM]

Firstly, I lied. I'm back.

So you are either not reading what is said, with understanding.

Ok. Well its simple I left alot well mostly everything that made no sense out of the recap. Out of the 7 pages 5 of them are whatever98 arguing / selling / am not to sure at some point to who he was even talking too.

His running a really out of the box template that he enjoys. Personally I think his template is abit odd. And I trully believe that his missing out some of the crucial abilities in his template.
Like wtf why run 140 stam if you are using katanas. Am running like 90 dex with 125 str and have probably 3 times his mana pool to spam ai and heals. Ok am using kryss and leaf blades I dont get the point of 4/0 with bandaid I run 4/6 and never need to kite or wait for a heal.

Lots make no sense but I will have respect for him cause his playing outside of what everyone else does and he makes it work.

For Loler I just wanted to troll him cause this thread is long and getting repetitive and trully boring.

 

[silvertiger]

I also have respect for his nonconformist template, that I would probably play, but all that respect is lost in 7 pages of hijacked thread. Just because you have respect for someone doesn't mean you ignore it when they are a major problem in a thread, guild, forum, or community. I have massive amounts of respect for various members of the community, but at the same time these people have contributed in ways that kill the game via scripts, trash talk, or crap tactics and that is when you call them out on it.

 

[crackhead]

if you wanna use 4/6 in pvp it can work but nowdays you will prolly want to chug alot and throw potions.

 

[Loler]

I use 4/6 chiv (sampire) in pvp without pots med or bandages and it works fine for me. I never once said 4/x chiv is bad for pvp i said whatever98 is bad with his build. and everyone including whatever98 knows bushido is the best for pvm he just wants to be an innovator, even though hes playing a 13 year old template that was played by everyone post aos if they had the gear for it.

also i didnt challenge him to duel for items someone else brought it up i merely said i was game because lets face it he stands no chance.

also I know whose miners they are but they arent mine . damn you he who will not be named!!!!!

 

[Dexter-LoM]

I use 4/6 chiv (sampire) in pvp without pots med or bandages and it works fine for me. I never once said 4/x chiv is bad for pvp i said whatever98 is bad with his build. and everyone including whatever98 knows bushido is the best for pvm he just wants to be an innovator, even though hes playing a 13 year old template that was played by everyone post aos if they had the gear for it.

also i didnt challenge him to duel for items someone else brought it up i merely said i was game because lets face it he stands no chance.

also I know whose miners they are but they arent mine . damn you he who will not be named!!!!!

Small question you say you pvp with 4/6 sampire. Does none of your opponents carry a slayer weapon?