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How many of you are religious!
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Cebrious Arcane
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Re: How many of you are religious!
I guess I don't understand. Please explain further. You can call it a science, but how is that any different than calling it SuperAwesomeRightness? They're just labels.kio123;1418997 said:
Respond to my post, please.AlphaN3rd said:
OffMyJohnson
Wanderer
Re: How many of you are religious!
Wow... i knew this thread was going to spark interest but damn...
thanks to all who posted and are going to post.
this is great stuff. i love seeing what others have to say about this.
and now i'm going to plays some uo will check back on this later.
Wow... i knew this thread was going to spark interest but damn...
thanks to all who posted and are going to post.
this is great stuff. i love seeing what others have to say about this.
and now i'm going to plays some uo will check back on this later.
kio123
Knight
Re: How many of you are religious!
think like theres no other science branch that studies the death itself. also a general idea of space (the idea of definite calculation of starts and planets and them turning around each other) was told in main religions much before telescope was invented. or the law and ethics ideas. main religions are the only science that explains the core of magic.
and on and on
you might say its same as philosophy but philosophy is just the science of thought not the nature of the thoughts or proofs
Cebrious Arcane;1419015 said:
think like theres no other science branch that studies the death itself. also a general idea of space (the idea of definite calculation of starts and planets and them turning around each other) was told in main religions much before telescope was invented. or the law and ethics ideas. main religions are the only science that explains the core of magic.
and on and on
you might say its same as philosophy but philosophy is just the science of thought not the nature of the thoughts or proofs
Cebrious Arcane
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Re: How many of you are religious!
Thanks, I understand what you're saying perfectly now. Which is basically what I am saying: systems of belief explain reality.kio123;1419029 said:
simplyshane
Knight
Re: How many of you are religious!
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Re: How many of you are religious!
Systems of belief explain reality to the extent of the restrictions of the "values" and systems of morals they impose upon themselves. These values can be anything from "a man has to be in charge," such as Christianity, or that everything must be consistent, such as science.
Cebrious Arcane;1419038 said:
Systems of belief explain reality to the extent of the restrictions of the "values" and systems of morals they impose upon themselves. These values can be anything from "a man has to be in charge," such as Christianity, or that everything must be consistent, such as science.
Cebrious Arcane
Forum Murderer
Re: How many of you are religious!
Where you say values, I say beliefs. Would not the most consistent version of reality be infinity? Why then does science not support an infinite and timeless reality?fonis;1419107 said:
Re: How many of you are religious!
It does not support it because it does not claim it to be true, because if it were to claim it to be true, it would require proof / a provable hypothesis. As no one right now can prove infinity, science does not support nor claim against an infinite and timeless reality.
And yes, values/beliefs, whatever. They're what you hold dear and true, and really are nothing more than unprovable beliefs you have an intuition in. Science's self-law of consistency is not necessary, just a restriction it holds upon itself. I happen to agree with it, and so I believe in science.
It does not support it because it does not claim it to be true, because if it were to claim it to be true, it would require proof / a provable hypothesis. As no one right now can prove infinity, science does not support nor claim against an infinite and timeless reality.
And yes, values/beliefs, whatever. They're what you hold dear and true, and really are nothing more than unprovable beliefs you have an intuition in. Science's self-law of consistency is not necessary, just a restriction it holds upon itself. I happen to agree with it, and so I believe in science.
Cebrious Arcane
Forum Murderer
Re: How many of you are religious!
Okay, but how are evidence and proof not personal?fonis said:
Fair enough.Fonis said:
Underwater Ape
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Re: How many of you are religious!
do you remember being born?
have you ever died?
have you ever been conscious as anything other than yourself?
have you ever made an observation free from your own nervous system?
what do you really know?
do you remember being born?
have you ever died?
have you ever been conscious as anything other than yourself?
have you ever made an observation free from your own nervous system?
what do you really know?
simplyshane
Knight
Re: How many of you are religious!
I died once. But only for a minute.
I died once. But only for a minute.
shstubas0890
Wanderer
Re: How many of you are religious!
crap, i voted atheist, but that was b4 i saw the last option
crap, i voted atheist, but that was b4 i saw the last option
Re: How many of you are religious!
i have no problem with people and their beliefs unless they take it to the next level, when people start using religion and god as a crutch or for justification of their acts it sickens me. also the idea that i can do whatever i want as long as i repent is fucking rediculous
i have no problem with people and their beliefs unless they take it to the next level, when people start using religion and god as a crutch or for justification of their acts it sickens me. also the idea that i can do whatever i want as long as i repent is fucking rediculous
zlatan fulgere
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Re: How many of you are religious!
I'm working on that in v1.0
I also thought of "why" for science, seemingly random chance. I wanted to ask here though...
For the religious types, why do we exist as we do rather than in another way or not at all?
Cebrious Arcane;1419179 said:
I'm working on that in v1.0
I also thought of "why" for science, seemingly random chance. I wanted to ask here though...
For the religious types, why do we exist as we do rather than in another way or not at all?
Re: How many of you are religious!
Evidence and proof, as far as science is concerned, is required to be impersonal. If you state something scientifically, you allow it to be vulnerable to repeated testing by anyone wishing to determine its viability. If it was simply a belief, it would be personal. Since you are making your beliefs to be judged by anyone around you, the evidence and proof, by definition, are impersonal, otherwise they are not evidence or proofs.
Evidence and proof, as far as science is concerned, is required to be impersonal. If you state something scientifically, you allow it to be vulnerable to repeated testing by anyone wishing to determine its viability. If it was simply a belief, it would be personal. Since you are making your beliefs to be judged by anyone around you, the evidence and proof, by definition, are impersonal, otherwise they are not evidence or proofs.
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