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Congrats America, we made History.
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Mister Dank
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Re: Congrats America, we made History.
Basically every American politician is "socialist" in some respect. Even the idiots that throw that word around constantly. Support of ANY welfare system, any housing program, any charity of any kind, is "socialist".
M1A1Blaze;472888 said:
Basically every American politician is "socialist" in some respect. Even the idiots that throw that word around constantly. Support of ANY welfare system, any housing program, any charity of any kind, is "socialist".
Mister Dank
Knight
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
What about support for military veterans?
M1A1Blaze;472895 said:
What about support for military veterans?
Mister Dank
Knight
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
Were you born after 2000/2004?
wwebb;472898 said:
Were you born after 2000/2004?
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
Really? Well, I guess Bill Clinton is just a myth then.
And what's so bad about leaning towards socialism? It's like the "liberal" word in the USA. I seriously have no idea where you guys get such cryptic and obscure ideas.
M1A1Blaze;472888 said:
Really? Well, I guess Bill Clinton is just a myth then.
And what's so bad about leaning towards socialism? It's like the "liberal" word in the USA. I seriously have no idea where you guys get such cryptic and obscure ideas.
lukin69
Knight
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
hope everyone enjoys their rights trampled on, children taught that there is nothing wrong with being gay, its cool to murder unborn infants and once my salary gets up above 250k i need to start signing my paychecks over to bob the homeless ***** because he lost his job too and now he can mooch off my ass.
i mean my ******* god its like no one even fucking listened to the BILE/FILTH that spews from obamas mouth.
ugh.
hope everyone enjoys their rights trampled on, children taught that there is nothing wrong with being gay, its cool to murder unborn infants and once my salary gets up above 250k i need to start signing my paychecks over to bob the homeless ***** because he lost his job too and now he can mooch off my ass.
i mean my ******* god its like no one even fucking listened to the BILE/FILTH that spews from obamas mouth.
ugh.
Nottheking
Lord
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
Something a bit interesting to think upon were what states were the "battlegrounds" in this election. What's important to see is that the lineup of states, and the margin by which they were won, points out how different, in the end, this election is from those of 2000 and 2004. Hence, when 2012 rolls around, the media would find it best to not treat the red/blue map the same, and instead respond to its differnet layout, noting where states have shifted. In this election, these states were the real "swing states," won by a margin smaller than Obama's 5.89% overall popular vote margin. In 2000 and 2004, all of them were counted for Bush:
Overall, one sees that this was a very "blue" year; Obama managed to not only take all states that either Gore or Kerry had won, (Gore had lost New Hampshire, and Kerry Iowa and New Mexico) he also managed to move a lot of traditionally "red" states into his camp; Nevada went from a 3.55% win for Bush in 2000 and a 2.59% win in 2004, to being not even a swing state, and in favor of Obama.
This all stacks up to saying that provided Obama handles the Presidency at least decency, whatever Republican comes out to face him in 2012 is going to be in for a rather tall order; neither Clinton nor Bush had ever been as sucessful as Obama in this election, yet both managed to win two terms. This time around, the election wasn't even close; Obama had 278 out of 270 electoral votes just from states he carried by >6% alone, meaning he could've conceded ALL of the blue states in the first group and still have won. Of course, 2012 will see vote re-proportioned due to the upcoming 2010 census, which may alter things a bit; swing states Virginia, North Caroline, Florida, and Georgia look to pick up a seat or two, while a few others look to lose them, which could cut against Obama's favor in 2012.
Something a bit interesting to think upon were what states were the "battlegrounds" in this election. What's important to see is that the lineup of states, and the margin by which they were won, points out how different, in the end, this election is from those of 2000 and 2004. Hence, when 2012 rolls around, the media would find it best to not treat the red/blue map the same, and instead respond to its differnet layout, noting where states have shifted. In this election, these states were the real "swing states," won by a margin smaller than Obama's 5.89% overall popular vote margin. In 2000 and 2004, all of them were counted for Bush:
- Missouri, (11 0.20%) - Bush '00/'04
- North Carolina, (15 0.35%) - Bush '00/'04
- Indiana, (11 0.96%) - Bush '00/'04
- Florida, (27 2.35%) - Bush '00/'04
- Montana, (3 3.49%) - Bush '00/'04
- Ohio, (20 3.92%) - Bush '00/'04
- Virginia, (13 4.50%) - Bush '00/'04
- Georgia, (15 5.47%) - Bush '00/'04
- Colorado, (9 6.78%) - Bush '00/'04
- South Dakota, (3 8.41%) - Bush '00/'04
- Arizona, (10 8.62%) - Bush '00/'04
- North Dakota, (3 8.67%) - Bush '00/'04
- Iowa, (7 9.29%) - Bush '04
- New Hampshire, (4 10.02%) - Bush '00
- Pennsylvania, (21 10.30%)
- Minnesota, (10 10.39%)
- Nevada, (5 12.50%) - Bush '00/'04
- West Virginia, (5 13.12%) - Bush '00/'04
- Wisconsin, (10 13.93%)
- New Mexico, (5 15.50%) - Bush '04
- Michigan, (17 16.60%)
- Arkansas, (6 20.03%) - Bush '00/'04
Overall, one sees that this was a very "blue" year; Obama managed to not only take all states that either Gore or Kerry had won, (Gore had lost New Hampshire, and Kerry Iowa and New Mexico) he also managed to move a lot of traditionally "red" states into his camp; Nevada went from a 3.55% win for Bush in 2000 and a 2.59% win in 2004, to being not even a swing state, and in favor of Obama.
This all stacks up to saying that provided Obama handles the Presidency at least decency, whatever Republican comes out to face him in 2012 is going to be in for a rather tall order; neither Clinton nor Bush had ever been as sucessful as Obama in this election, yet both managed to win two terms. This time around, the election wasn't even close; Obama had 278 out of 270 electoral votes just from states he carried by >6% alone, meaning he could've conceded ALL of the blue states in the first group and still have won. Of course, 2012 will see vote re-proportioned due to the upcoming 2010 census, which may alter things a bit; swing states Virginia, North Caroline, Florida, and Georgia look to pick up a seat or two, while a few others look to lose them, which could cut against Obama's favor in 2012.
However, on the flip side, we saw how clearly that we were wrong to think that Bush was the worst possible candidate for the job. A lot of us did, and eventually nearly 3/4 of us did... Until we saw Sarah Palin arrive on the scene.Hyphy Train;472885 said:
If memory serves, it took a socialist-leaning Democrat to fix the Great Depression, a man named Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Republican Herbert Hoover had more or less managed to botch his reaction to the crisis when it came in 1929, (much akin to 2008) however Roosevelt managed to start reversing the Depression within a year of him coming into office in 1933, and managed to have the US economy surging even BEFORE the attacks on Pearl Harbor at the end of 1941. (link)M1A1Blaze;472888 said:
"Support out troops," eh?M1A1Blaze;472901 said:
Does September 11, 2001 ring any bells to you?M1A1Blaze;472957 said:
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John Doe
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Re: Congrats America, we made History.
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Hyphy Train;472998 said:
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