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Congrats America, we made History.
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LadyCrimson
Wanderer
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
While an interesting concept, I'm a little worried that the candidate multiple other countries wanted to win won.... these are countries that hate us and want us to fail - which sends up a bit of a red flag for me. Why do they want Obama in office so badly?
*shrugs*
Again, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Hyphy Train;472885 said:
While an interesting concept, I'm a little worried that the candidate multiple other countries wanted to win won.... these are countries that hate us and want us to fail - which sends up a bit of a red flag for me. Why do they want Obama in office so badly?
*shrugs*
Again, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Nottheking
Lord
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
The US has engaged in these sort of wars before; I'm reminded of the Barbary Wars back in the 19th century, where the enemies of America weren't official nations, either.
It remain a solid fact that George W. Bush was easily one of the most unpopular Presidents of all time, both at home (where before the election, he had a 24% approval rating) and abroad. For most, I think, the "change" that Americans saw when they voted for Obama was the change from Bush's way of doing things, one that had indisputably harmed America, tying up the military resources, souring international relations, and possibly may have even influenced situations that have led to what is, by far, the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. All told, it's a rather impressive list of things that his administration has managed to do to ruin America.
Naturally, people wanted something different from that. For a lot of people, McCain wasn't different enough, but Obama was. The same applied to those outside of the USA who had the exact same opinions of Bush as the majority of Americans. In other words, they cheer Obama's election not because they want the USA to fall, but because they want to love the USA.
He isn't the head of all terrorism either. Quite logically, one could assert that the US is at war with Al-Qaeda, because Al-Qaeda sure as hell is at war with the US. They may not be a state recognized by the UN with borders and territory with their own, but they certainly have plenty of places to use as their own, akin to foreign US military bases, which certainly are outside the USA's borders.Kelroth;473033 said:
The US has engaged in these sort of wars before; I'm reminded of the Barbary Wars back in the 19th century, where the enemies of America weren't official nations, either.
That would be taking their statements the wrong way, and be taking a decidedly pessimistic view on America. The USA ain't going away any time soon, and they're not too stupid to realize that.LadyCrimson;473040 said:
It remain a solid fact that George W. Bush was easily one of the most unpopular Presidents of all time, both at home (where before the election, he had a 24% approval rating) and abroad. For most, I think, the "change" that Americans saw when they voted for Obama was the change from Bush's way of doing things, one that had indisputably harmed America, tying up the military resources, souring international relations, and possibly may have even influenced situations that have led to what is, by far, the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. All told, it's a rather impressive list of things that his administration has managed to do to ruin America.
Naturally, people wanted something different from that. For a lot of people, McCain wasn't different enough, but Obama was. The same applied to those outside of the USA who had the exact same opinions of Bush as the majority of Americans. In other words, they cheer Obama's election not because they want the USA to fall, but because they want to love the USA.
LadyCrimson
Wanderer
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
I had to do a bit of cleanup on this thread - while I understand the topic of politics can get heated, lets try to remember to be civil. No threats... language should be kept in check... ya know, the basics.
I had to do a bit of cleanup on this thread - while I understand the topic of politics can get heated, lets try to remember to be civil. No threats... language should be kept in check... ya know, the basics.
Blacula
Knight
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
"...that's why I voted for Fidel Castro" was a pretty clean comment, yet you edited it out of the thread entirely, possibly due to personal bias. I must also add that nothing I said was threatening or obscene in any way, nor will I say in most situations.
You could simply say "I hate communism," and spare us further unnecessary censorship of harmless remarks on the forums. Thank you.
LadyCrimson;473044 said:
"...that's why I voted for Fidel Castro" was a pretty clean comment, yet you edited it out of the thread entirely, possibly due to personal bias. I must also add that nothing I said was threatening or obscene in any way, nor will I say in most situations.
You could simply say "I hate communism," and spare us further unnecessary censorship of harmless remarks on the forums. Thank you.
woodycook
Knight
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
Ron Paul should have ran AND won. I don't see how anyone could disagree with ANYTHING he says apart from MAYBE abortion. (hes against it, I however believe in the radical idea that women own their bodies)
The media tore Ron Paul down at every chance and called his supporters extremists, conspiracy theorists, and even terrorists.
Then again CNN (among other media) would have no war to report on and one can only sit on their thumbs for so long I suppose.
I have personally met and discussed politics with Ron and I fail to find anyone with a better understanding of the economy than Paul to this day.
Google some debates with Ron Paul in them.
jmaster;472746 said:
Ron Paul should have ran AND won. I don't see how anyone could disagree with ANYTHING he says apart from MAYBE abortion. (hes against it, I however believe in the radical idea that women own their bodies)
The media tore Ron Paul down at every chance and called his supporters extremists, conspiracy theorists, and even terrorists.
Then again CNN (among other media) would have no war to report on and one can only sit on their thumbs for so long I suppose.
I have personally met and discussed politics with Ron and I fail to find anyone with a better understanding of the economy than Paul to this day.
Google some debates with Ron Paul in them.
PwNoGrApHy
Page
PwNoGrApHy
Page
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
Alex Jones is the man.
Alex Jones is the man.
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
What if we earned it?
I'm sorry, but i don't support people that sit on their couch all day and twiddle their thumbs waiting for a free check when they can perfectly work. or if they are making drugs and collection more money in a month than i would in a year... I'm not saying all the lower class are this way and most aren't but there are alot in my area here in AL that don't try...
Yes he is, i must admit it he is a REAL person. that is both great and terrible. it's good he has true morals and knows this stuff but since he won't play dirty he will never win i'm afraid...
Mister Dank;472594 said:
What if we earned it?
But do you know the costs of all of this? he is attempting to take hard earned money from the upper class and REDISTRIBUTE (like a socialist, we aren't Canada btw..) and give it to the lower class.. If you want to redistribute and act like a Socialist, please, pick your sorry tail up and start walking to Canada... this isn't a socialistic country, much to my relief.Hyphy Train;472885 said:
I'm sorry, but i don't support people that sit on their couch all day and twiddle their thumbs waiting for a free check when they can perfectly work. or if they are making drugs and collection more money in a month than i would in a year... I'm not saying all the lower class are this way and most aren't but there are alot in my area here in AL that don't try...
Blacula;473163 said:
Yes he is, i must admit it he is a REAL person. that is both great and terrible. it's good he has true morals and knows this stuff but since he won't play dirty he will never win i'm afraid...
PwNoGrApHy
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Re: Congrats America, we made History.
Amen Digatalas.
Amen Digatalas.
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
80% of you can stay the fuck out of Canada plz.
No but really most of Canada from what i have heard from news talk radio shows are happy Obama won. Yes we have the lazy people on welfare and crap but for people like me that bust ass all day long to not make enough to get proper health care. It is a HUGE blessing knowing that if something does happen I am good to go.
blah drunk post stfu
80% of you can stay the fuck out of Canada plz.
No but really most of Canada from what i have heard from news talk radio shows are happy Obama won. Yes we have the lazy people on welfare and crap but for people like me that bust ass all day long to not make enough to get proper health care. It is a HUGE blessing knowing that if something does happen I am good to go.
blah drunk post stfu
Nottheking
Lord
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
In all honesty, I feel that most Americans, regardless of social class, have never really worked at any job that actually was either physically or mentally demanding for them, and as such, often never really truly "earned" their pay. Most Americans are their own kind of welfare kings and queens, possibly something that is figuring into the current economy.
Just to give you an idea, the rest of the country is WILDLY different from the Deep South... The "Deep South" being primarily South Carolina, Georgia, (outside of Atlanta) Alabama, Mississippi, and Loisianna. Yes, the region is known for its relatively shiftless lower classes; I'd say that probably the bulk of ALL people living in there (not just the lower classes) do live up to some stereotype or another. Ironically, up in Michigan, a lot of the lower classes appear to work harder than the middle class, with the latter padded heavily with cushy jobs that demand almost nothing buy pay well due to union requirements.Digatalas;473399 said:
In all honesty, I feel that most Americans, regardless of social class, have never really worked at any job that actually was either physically or mentally demanding for them, and as such, often never really truly "earned" their pay. Most Americans are their own kind of welfare kings and queens, possibly something that is figuring into the current economy.
psz
Administrator
Re: Congrats America, we made History.
And thank you for pointing out what I've tried to tell people from here for Years:
Once you leave the SOUTH, you see a whole different country.
(Living in Maryland, Arizona, and spending a lot of time in New York has further reaffirmed that for me)
And thank you for pointing out what I've tried to tell people from here for Years:
Once you leave the SOUTH, you see a whole different country.
(Living in Maryland, Arizona, and spending a lot of time in New York has further reaffirmed that for me)